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  •  Why would you think I've made up my mind? (0+ / 0-)

    That doesn't even make any sense.
    We don't have all the information so we don't know what's really happened until we do have the information.
    How is that making up my mind?

    •  This sort of shit happens hundreds of times a day (14+ / 0-)

      Probably thousands, in cities all over the US, for no other reason than because some cops hate minorities or are under orders to engage in aggressive racial profiling in the hopes of catching the occasional criminal, provoking someone who's not a criminal into breaking the law by resisting them, and intimidating entire racial groups into submitting to the white man's rule. This shit happens so often it's simply absurd to deny it. Which is why I'm strongly inclined to side with Hammer here and need for these cops to prove that I'm wrong.

      Hiding behind "let's see what the facts" say is code in my book for "homie had it coming". And what kinds of facts are likely to emerge? It's their word against Hammer's. He was just sitting in his car. What crime was that?

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Sat Feb 23, 2013 at 08:59:14 PM PST

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      •  So - you're the one that's made up your mind (1+ / 0-)
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        before hearing all the facts.

        Hiding behind "let's see what the facts" say is code in my book for "homie had it coming".
        You're doing exactly what you've accused me of doing - and I never did it in the first place.
        Isn't that called hypocrisy?
        •  No, it's called reading between the lines (3+ / 0-)
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          I've heard these arguments countless times and they invariably support the aggressors. You're suggesting that Hammer is lying by telling us to wait until the "facts" come out, "facts" that will obviously be controlled by the cops and their vast support system. How else can one interpret your call for patience until these "facts" come out? If you refuse to believe Hammer, then you think that he's lying. No other conclusion is possible with your skepticism.

          Now, it may well be that in this instance Hammer is lying. I doubt it, but it is possible. But this sort of thing happens so often that it almost doesn't matter whether or not he is because it's a literal fact that cops go out of their way to harass people of color because they're people of color, sometimes because they're personally so inclined, and sometimes as a matter of policy. And every time it happens, some "concerned citizen" such as yourself disingenuously calls out for patience as we get all the "facts".

          Do you deny that what Hammer claims happens to him doesn't happen all the time? Can you at least be honest enough to answer that question?

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Sun Feb 24, 2013 at 07:46:51 AM PST

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          •  Between the lines = making things up (0+ / 0-)
            You're suggesting that Hammer is lying by telling us to wait until the "facts" come out
            Nope - never said or implied anything like that.
            Try again.
            •  Yes, you did, and you know it (1+ / 0-)
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              Calling for the "facts" to come out in response to someone's claims about the matter at hand is to literally question their honesty. It's a too clever by half way of implying that they're dishonest without actually saying it.

              Lemme guess. You're a conservative law student who thinks he's being clever.

              "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

              by kovie on Sun Feb 24, 2013 at 09:08:32 AM PST

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    •  Zzzzz (3+ / 0-)
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      What's boring about this story? Yet you're mocking it as sleep inducing.

      You're a terrible liar, among other distasteful things demonstrated in your posts.

      "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

      by DocGonzo on Sat Feb 23, 2013 at 10:12:23 PM PST

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      •  Try breathing deeply for a few minutes (0+ / 0-)

        and then come back to the real world.

        You're a terrible liar, among other distasteful things demonstrated in your posts.
        Wow - now I'm a liar. Nothing to back that up. But I bet it felt really good to say.
        Bwaahahaha!
        •  You're Lying (2+ / 0-)
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          You're lying about not having made up your mind. It's obvious you have. To everyone but you. Because you're deluded.

          "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

          by DocGonzo on Sun Feb 24, 2013 at 07:39:02 AM PST

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          •  Wrong - try again. (0+ / 0-)

            I've never said I thought the police were correct OR that Hammer was correct. I said we didn't know.
            Try the decafé.

            •  You didn't have to say it (1+ / 0-)
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              It was implied for all to hear. A call for an objective review of the "facts"--"facts" which by their nature can and will never be truly objective--is a classic means by which those who support the side of injustice try to undermine the case that supports injustice having been done, while pretending to be unbiased.

              It's literally no different from the way in which the fossil fuel industry has tried to discredit the theory of human-caused climate change, or creationists have tried to discredit the theory of evolution. Hey, the "facts" aren't all in so let's not jump to conclusions!

              Nice company you keep there.

              "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

              by kovie on Sun Feb 24, 2013 at 08:40:09 AM PST

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              •  You sound like Jeff Sessions (0+ / 0-)

                Let's just not concern ourselves with the facts when they're inconvenient.
                Yeah - that's it. Brilliant.

                •  And what "facts" might those be (3+ / 0-)
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                  especially given that you started this whole "let's wait for the facts to come in" sidetrack? I believe that you just tipped your hand there, my friend.

                  I don't know how people can be this dishonest with others, especially when called on it. Lawyers, cops and politicians do it all the time, so it's hardly news, but I still don't get how people can do it and live with themselves. Is it all a game to them that ultimately has no real meaning--or self-preservation?

                  And what does it do to their inner selves. Nothing good, I'm sure. There are few things more corrosive to one's mental well-being than deliberate and sustained dishonesty. Good luck with that.

                  Oh, and you're wasting your time here as no one's buying your "Aw shucks I'm just trying to be fair and objective" shtick here. Save it for Fox & Friends.

                  "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                  by kovie on Sun Feb 24, 2013 at 09:05:18 AM PST

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    •  you are fooling no one. (4+ / 0-)

      You called the diary a "rant." Then you posted "zzzzzzzzz." You made up your mind: either the victim, MC Hammer, is lying, or you just don't care at all.  In either case don't write bad things about police.

      You've been caught out, every single reader of your posts can see your intent. You are being dishonest and are not very convincing.

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