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  •  so a thought experiment (5+ / 0-)

    what if it took 'no registry' to pass the house?

    "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

    by Greg Dworkin on Sun Feb 24, 2013 at 06:03:58 AM PST

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    •  I'll take it. (2+ / 0-)
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      LilithGardener, KenBee

      I'm not of the "all or nothing crowd", I'm one of the "it's a start" crowd.

      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Sun Feb 24, 2013 at 06:37:09 AM PST

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    •  It would be the ultimate Village "Solution" (3+ / 0-)
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      tb mare, LilithGardener, luckydog

      "Both sides gave and found a solution in the middle." I can hear Cokie Roberts triumphantly just short of shouting that some Monday morning.

      No records keeping means avoiding potential liability. And no "downward pressure on future sales projections." And we absolutely need some liability assessed and "downward pressure on future sales projections."

      When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

      by Egalitare on Sun Feb 24, 2013 at 06:37:44 AM PST

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    •  I have suggested exactly that (0+ / 0-)

      and have suggested a way to be able to backtrack the gun to the new owner w/o this being a de facto gun registry.

      Whine all you want, that is what it is perceived to be: a de facto gun registry....theme courtesy of the NRA and flak/hack media.  
           This theme, the de facto gun database would be exactly the kind of flawed database we have in many circles, the no fly list being an obvious one, and it provides much of the energy that can derail this basic good proposal. The gun database is not a complete gun registry but is obviously one gathering data from new purchases/transfers. It is strongly opposed by gun owners etc., and an obvious hook for the NRA fear mongering  That's how it is perceived, that's how it and anything with it will be attacked.

      I think the national gun ssn database is exactly the poison pill dirt bags (ie: lying politicians R and L, NRA hacks) on both sides WANT in this, for this to fail so they can continue to fear monger and fund raise over this issue. Need i say.....yeah, here, definetly I do: not all people on both sides here are dirt bags.

         Unfortunately the fact that they who are working on this already have included it means they are too dumb for their responsibilities or they are insincere hacks.

      I don't believe either side really wants this to change, but we will see.
       Too cynical maybe...I hope so.

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      Track the applicant not the gun. A continued path of searchable applications is what is wanted...sub rosa dealer/straw purchaser goes to every gun store and applies for one purchase is a tactic of some straw purchasers..this applicant tracking is necessary...the gun ssn database tracking is not necessary and will prevent, politically, this change from happening.

      If a gun is recovered at a crime scene, it can be searched for at the FFL dealer's records, with a warrant, easily obtained.    
           The FFL is already required to maintain these records as part of their FFL status.  Gun tracking problem solved, when necessary, and no central database to be hacked for vandal points or profit.   Legislation passed less strongly opposed.
           The central gun ssn database is also a problem because after the straw purchasers are blocked they(criminals) will pay a lot more for a list of gun purchasers....and remember the names and addresses were published by that newspaper? And yesterday someone here advocated again in the internet comment screed for a public database of guns and gun owners, gee, imagine there could be opposition to a similar sounding proposal...

       To get this done, or anything related, successfully, will require exactly that: eliminate the poison pill of the national de facto gun registry database...or else we can continue to play 'Why do Republicans hate people' theater and get nothing done.

      So what's it going to be?

      Parades, posturing, and whining, or real positive incremental change?

      ...and no sneaking it in as some amendment later, another poison pill trick..if some politician wants to put their name behind a national gun database..well...go ahead, but please make it a stand way the fuck alone proposal so the blowback doesn't ruin anything good nearby.

      This machine kills Fascists.

      by KenBee on Sun Feb 24, 2013 at 03:54:13 PM PST

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