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  •  But (none)
    Do you call Larry "Larry"? (as opposed to Mr Johnson or something equally respectful)

    in the long run, we're all dead (Keynes)

    by Jerome a Paris on Fri Jun 03, 2005 at 08:16:29 AM PDT

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    •  Rude, so un-NYT-ish... (none)

      And, that Media Liar guy -- his URL is -- tells us the "happy news" that we've all missed:

      et's see. The Iraqis have elected a government that represents Sunni, Shia and Kurdish elements in the population. The Sunni defense minister has recently launched Operaion Lightning, involving 40,000 Iraqis troops routing out "insurgents" in Baghdad, arresting terrorists and capturing large numbers of weaponry, bomb making materials and VBIEDs. Polls have shown Iraqis uniformly support the new government and oppose the "insurgents". Large numbers of terrorists and many of the top leadership have been captured. Zarqawi may be dead. Sunni leadership has recently begun encouraging cooperation with the government and issued a fatwa approving of Sunni men joining the military.

      But Larry thinks things are falling apart. ...

      Susan in Port Angeles (my cat)

      by SusanHu on Fri Jun 03, 2005 at 08:35:09 AM PDT

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      •  What Wonderful News (4.00)
        The U.S. can bring its troops home today.

        This aggression will not stand, man

        by kaleidescope on Fri Jun 03, 2005 at 09:00:57 AM PDT

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      •  he forgot to qualify that (none)
        I would characterize it as a "largely ineffective" government.

        Heck I would be cheering in the streets if the Iraq government was busy securing the peace and creating a stable and productive society.  Right now I am sure many of the elected officals are worrying about getting killed as much as they worry about getting their jobs done.

        Tyranny goes with poverty;it's cheaper than democracy. (Larry Niven)

        by Fabian on Fri Jun 03, 2005 at 09:33:19 AM PDT

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      •  Dear Susan Hu, (none)
        Rivrbend disagrees.

        So here's my point and question, all at the same time. Who am I to believe?

        I've never heard of Riverbend, which either means I'm uncultured, too stupid to critically think this out for myself, or she isn't liberal - and therefore doesn't exist in my newsworld.

        I rely on the comments a lot as a bullshit filter. My worldview doesn't match up to everyone's here, so I learn who I can trust, and rely on them to point out discrepencies withine a given text.

        Well, some people I've learned to trust wrote in positively about the plausibility of riverbend's idea - that civil war is groupthink, and there is too much intramarriage for Shia's to really fight the shiites.

        So again, what am I to think?

        If you can read this, then you hate freedom.

        by NeoconSemanticist on Fri Jun 03, 2005 at 11:01:23 AM PDT

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