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  •  i'm astonished (4.00)
    that there is still talk about civil war as a "possible outcome" for iraq -- we can't pull out because things might deteriorate into a civil war, y'know. can't have that.

    what do you call it when iraqis are killing iraqis by the hundreds on a daily basis? sounds like a civil war to me. what's it going to take for us to acknowledge reality?

    "Patriot: he who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about." -Mark Twain

    by buffalobreath on Fri Jun 03, 2005 at 08:48:45 AM PDT

    •  "Iraq Puts Civilian Toll at 12,000" (none)
      •  Juan Cole has very good comments... (4.00)
        on the WaPo piece:


        Ellen Knickmeyer of the Washington Post reports the allegation by Bayan Jabr, the Iraqi Minister of the Interior, that 12,000 Iraqis have died in the guerrilla war during the past 18 months. A member of the Shiite Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI), he maintained that most of the victims have been Shiites and rather defensively said that no Sunni mosques had been destroyed. He was referring to the bombings at Shiite mosques by Sunni guerrillas. But many innocent Sunnis have suffered in the guerrilla war (including virtually the entire civilian population of Fallujah), and he was unwise to downplay that, making himself sound partisan and sectarian.

        The Washington Post did not refer to the findings of Knight Ridder for last summer that US troops were responsible for twice as many Iraqi deaths as the guerrillas themselves over a four-month period.

        The figure of 12,000 killed in guerrilla violence in the past 18 months tracks generally with the figures arrived at by Iraq Body Count, which gives between about 22,000 and 25,000 civilian deaths for the two years since the beginning of the war. If we s...

        Susan in Port Angeles (my cat)

        by SusanHu on Fri Jun 03, 2005 at 09:08:30 AM PDT

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