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  •  Siri - "actual scientific information" (3+ / 0-)
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    The media can occasionally do a good job of reporting the facts of events that have already taken place. They really don't have the scientific or technical knowledge to predict possible future events and present it as factual. Regarding future events they will always present a variety of potential outcomes and report about people with opposing views.  

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Sun Feb 24, 2013 at 08:55:37 AM PST

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    •  "People with opposing views ..." (19+ / 0-)

      The He Said/She Said game of everything has two sides is not automatically "okay" because this is discussing the future. They should speak with people who have credible basis for talking about that future -- would they speak to people believing the lunar landings were faked about the potential success/failure and/or risks/challenges of a potential Mars mission?

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      by A Siegel on Sun Feb 24, 2013 at 09:03:37 AM PST

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      •  Yes, exactly (4+ / 0-)

        The media is responsible for providing credible sources of information. Their endless desire to give a megaphone to opposing views despite the overwhelming consensus of expert opinion, has gotten us into this situation.

        The need to gin up controversy has led us to a point where a large portion of the public doesn't even know there is overwhelming consensus among the experts in the field. You would think the cataclysm we are facing due to inaction would have been enough of a story for them. Instead we got coverage of know-nothing politicians spinning thoroughly discredited conspiracy theories about "hoaxes".

        Now that previous predictions about droughts, worsening storms, melting arctic ice etc.. are coming to pass, they give coverage to the same discredited sources now claiming it's not due to carbon emissions and/or there's nothing we can do about it. The media keeps going back to the same people that at this point should not be considered credible sources on the subject. That's inexcusable.

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        by Siri on Sun Feb 24, 2013 at 09:52:19 AM PST

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        •  Siri - when I read articles about climate change (0+ / 0-)

          I see a mention of the fact that the consensus of scientists believe that humans are a primary source of climate change, but they are always going to also report the minority view as well. While I believe in man-made climate change the consensus of scientists has often been wrong, so the MSM isn't going to present just one side regardless of how well that view is embraced by the scientific community.

          "let's talk about that"

          by VClib on Sun Feb 24, 2013 at 05:19:11 PM PST

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      •  Especially when those opposing views are (8+ / 0-)

        guys who couldn't cut it in college like Limbaugh and Hannity (and Inhofe?) and or are academic prostitutes getting funds from Big Oil.

        It's a replay cigarette-cancer link argument.

        One side uses science, the other side either cherry picks data or is just plainly full of shit.

        •  One might argue there's three sides, IMO. (0+ / 0-)

          You've got the deniers, who are mostly full of shit and sometimes cherry-pick the actual data(when they even bother to refer to it!); the doomers, who do refer more to the science but almost always engage in cherry-picking and, sometimes, outright B.S......and then, there's us, the "In-Betweeners".....those who realize doomer prophecies are pretty much full of shit but who also realize that climate change is indeed a real problem and one that has to be dealt with ASAP.

          •  In betweeners? (0+ / 0-)

            Would that be more like rational centrists, purveyors of a third way or good old blue dogs?

            Identifying "doomers" as a class of actors and saying they are "full of shit" is not central to my admittedly jaded perception.

              We have enough straw men.  Let's just talk facts and science. People don't actually fit into categories, however convenient and satisfying.

            •  Re: "Let's just talk facts and science." (0+ / 0-)

              I'm all for that, by the way. But as giving the deniers air time has proven problematic, neither

              "Would that be more like rational centrists, purveyors of a third way or good old blue dogs?"

              Apples and oranges, man, apples and oranges.

              "Identifying "doomers" as a class of actors and saying they are "full of shit" is not central to my admittedly jaded perception."

              Well, it had to be said, unfortunately. You may also wish to read James Wells's great piece on here called the "Ringwraiths of Despair":


              "People don't actually fit into categories, however convenient and satisfying."

              Try telling that to the people who keep throwing the word "minimizer" around every time a doomsday prophecy is debunked or someone points out that things aren't as hopeless as they seem. It's happened to me quite a bit, sadly.

        •  flavor - I haven't seen the MSM quote (0+ / 0-)

          Limbaugh or Hannity on climate change issues as credible sources.

          "let's talk about that"

          by VClib on Sun Feb 24, 2013 at 05:15:31 PM PST

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