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  •  ABSOLUTE MINIMIZATION. (0+ / 0-)

    You add burning the Tar Sands to existing reserves and the permafrost effect and you are way past the last exit to life without living hell, which I consider "Game Over".

    An infinite number of more and better Democratic legislators will make little substantive difference in the Class and Climate Wars.

    by Words In Action on Sun Feb 24, 2013 at 01:06:38 PM PST

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    •  Hell, as in 6-7*C by 2100, right? (0+ / 0-)

      And that's WITH all the possible feedbacks at their worst extent, btw. The IPCC's worst case scenario is at about 4-4.5*C now(compare this to 6*C for TAR), as of AR5(though it does assume that feedbacks don't play out to their worst extent, which may indeed be the case). Modeling's gotten a lot better since 2001.

      If I ever find the source again, I'll post a link to it unless the comments board gets closed(it's the one thing I don't like about DailyKos's layout.).....rest assured, however, that it was a reliable source.

      •  As if a (0+ / 0-)

        7-8 F increase by the end of the C wouldn't be catastrophic?

        Every time ice melt and other indicators are checked, Change is happening faster than previously projected...

        An infinite number of more and better Democratic legislators will make little substantive difference in the Class and Climate Wars.

        by Words In Action on Sun Feb 24, 2013 at 02:32:58 PM PST

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        •  No, it would be(didn't say otherwise). (0+ / 0-)

          But I'm arguing that it's not quite inevitable as there's many variables involved; i.e., there's a very, very, slight chance of us being at somewhere around 2.5-3*C by 2100 even if drastic action is taken in 10 years or so(and it may not be), and likewise, there's a somewhat greater, though still small chance we might not go much above that even if little else is done about AGW(and that may be true.....with emphasis on "may". As in, it's not a sure thing.).

          Still, though, better to have missed the mark after a valiant effort then never to have tried at all, even if the worst doesn't come to pass, IMHO......

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