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  •  You COMPLETELY fail to realize, that....... (0+ / 0-)

    the dynamics for the Class War, largely don't really apply here.....in a simpler term, apples and oranges.

    The thing is, people getting scared about the future actually has worked, sometimes, in the fight to preserve the Middle Class, and to curb the influence of the plutocrats, the 1%.

    Sadly, it has NOT, however, worked for climate change, because it has had an entirely different effect altogether; instead of rallying, all the scaring has done is turn people away, and caused them to stick their heads in the sand.

    With the Class War, we can afford to go a little deep sometimes(as long as we don't overdo it.).....but with Climate Change, we NEED a moderate(none of these "extinction of humanity" scenarios or "Venus Syndrome" B.S. or any other hardcore scare tactics), fact and observation based approach.

    People aren't going to listen, or care, if they come to think that humanity is somehow at risk of going the way of the dodo(well, we really aren't, at least not thru climate change alone), or that the worst-case scenarios, or something even supposedly worse than THAT, will supposedly come to pass no matter what; they will instead either tune you out or, in some cases, jump right to the other side.

    •  Pffft. Yeah, the problem has been over-stating (0+ / 0-)

      the concern for Climate Change. Um, no. If moderates would simply have gotten up off their asses to champion this cause with the rest of the activists, instead of splitting hairs and reciting denier memes, we would be a  lot farther along. Instead, they give the Deniers oxygen at every turn and create false impressions that we are making substantive progress or that technological silver bullets are already in the pipeline...

      And the problem with the Class War is the EXACT same problem. Too little concern as evidenced in over-reliance upon incrementalism that never even tries to keep pace with the problem...

      An infinite number of more and better Democratic legislators will make little substantive difference in the Class and Climate Wars.

      by Words In Action on Mon Feb 25, 2013 at 03:29:31 PM PST

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      •  The problem is, some people HAVE overdone it. (0+ / 0-)

        Yes, some people HAVE gone overboard, WAY overboard in certain cases. Remember when James Hansen made that statement that he believed that "Venus Syndrome" would set in if Keystone was completed? Or that AMEG paper put out last summer that claimed that we'd all be gone by the middle of this century? That's just two examples. I can also point to people like Guy McPherson and Paul Chefurka(I've had a few run-ins with the latter though he's kinda pleasant most of the time. McPherson is just plain annoying.), who are full-time doomers.

        Instead, they give the Deniers oxygen at every turn

        Quite the opposite, actually. We're the ones combatting & debunking the deniers at every turn. If you really want to bash the moderates then you'd better take your grievances to Peter Sinclair, David Titley, and dozens and dozens of others(including some prominent climate hawks on this site) who'd be RIGHTLY considered to be moderates.

        and create false impressions that we are making substantive progress or that technological silver bullets are already in the pipeline...
        And in fact, we ARE making substantiative progress(personally not as much as I'd like, but definitely still counts).

        Here's a few articles on coal plants, alone:

        http://www.dailykos.com/...
        http://www.dailykos.com/...
        http://www.naturalnews.com/...
        http://news.sciencemag.org/...
        http://cleantechnica.com/...

        One coal plant shutting, by itself, might not be much, that is true. But multiply that and things do start adding up(though there IS the problem with China and India, however).

        http://topics.nytimes.com/...

        •  Delusion. (0+ / 0-)

          The moderates have controlled the past two decades during which problems have become FULL-BLOWN crises and they still HAVE NO MORE IDEA THAN REPUBLICANS how much damage they have done.

          An infinite number of more and better Democratic legislators will make little substantive difference in the Class and Climate Wars.

          by Words In Action on Mon Feb 25, 2013 at 08:00:58 PM PST

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          •  Nope, not "delusion". Quite the opposite, in fact. (0+ / 0-)
            •  Full-blown crisis. (0+ / 0-)

              An effective response to Climate Change will only come about in spite of moderates, not because of them. Ditto for reversing the tide of the Class War. And, I admit, the more predictable outcomes do not look good.

              An infinite number of more and better Democratic legislators will make little substantive difference in the Class and Climate Wars.

              by Words In Action on Tue Feb 26, 2013 at 07:27:33 AM PST

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              •  None of the outcomes are really "good". (0+ / 0-)
                An effective response to Climate Change will only come about in spite of moderates, not because of them.
                As opposed to spewing doom-and-gloom screeds everywhere, that humanity is supposedly at risk for extinction, that civilization is supposedly doomed, that the worst-case scenarios are not only inevitable but possibly something even worse(than what the science says)?

                If you honestly believe that kind of thinking will help us, instead of providing a rational fact and observation based viewpoint(something that we still sorely need more of, btw), then I've got a beachfront bungalow in Nunavut to sell ya.....

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