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  •  You REALLY must not read many comments ... (32+ / 0-)

    around here if you believe that

    The Left lacks the ability to feel visceral malice towards an enemy.

    "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

    by Neuroptimalian on Mon Feb 25, 2013 at 12:26:03 AM PST

    •  I was thinking it might be better written as (20+ / 0-)
      The Left lacks the willingness to get off the couch and act on their visceral malice towards an enemy. After all, we can't just hire people to go and do it for us. We have to turn off the TV and do it ourselves.

      Reaganomics noun pl: belief that government (of, by, and for the people) is the problem and that we can increase revenue by decreasing revenue.

      by FrY10cK on Mon Feb 25, 2013 at 05:37:55 AM PST

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      •  Our visceral malice (13+ / 0-)

        is a mild hissy fit compared to the venom incited in the far right by billionaires' attitudes toward working people and the poor.

        Maybe it's not maliciousness on the billionaires' part, just cold, sociopathic indifference. But the results of their schemes are malicious, nonetheless.

        Recalling the trope about paying one half of the people to kill off the other half...TPTB haven't reached anywhere near half yet. It's our job to see that they don't succeed in their nefarious quest to divide us further.

        •  The problem is that we on the left lack the (6+ / 0-)

          resources to do what we need to do. Short sighted self interest drives the wealthy into the camp of our enemies. Until there is a real possibility that actual harm will come to the 1% etc., this will be the case. The plutocracy accepted the reforms offered by Roosevelt out of self interest. They saw that their options were either to contribute much more to the commonweal or to eventually be stood up against a wall and shot or to be hanged as the murderous traitorous criminals they are proving to be.

          "Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens," -Friedrich Schiller "Against Stupidity, the Gods themselves contend in Vain"

          by pengiep on Mon Feb 25, 2013 at 06:38:40 AM PST

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          •  Good news! (13+ / 0-)

            We're going to get our own set of (non-parasitic?) billionaires and create our own propaganda machine to stoke that visceral malice. Nothing but blue skies from now on.

            "In private meetings and phone calls, Mr. Obama’s aides have made clear that the new organization will rely heavily on a small number of deep-pocketed donors, not unlike the “super PACs” whose influence on political campaigns Mr. Obama once deplored.

            At least half of the group’s budget will come from a select group of donors who will each contribute or raise $500,000 or more, according to donors and strategists involved in the effort.

            Unlike a presidential campaign, Organizing for Action has been set up as a tax-exempt “social welfare group.” That means it is not bound by federal contribution limits, laws that bar White House officials from soliciting contributions, or the stringent reporting requirements for campaigns. In their place, the new group will self-regulate.

            http://www.nytimes.com/...

    •  Amen! (18+ / 0-)

      I've felt little besides visceral malice toward these parasites since the halcyon reign of a certain B movie actor.

      It's been very stressful, living as I do in a bastion of reich-wing conservatards. But I bear up bravely every day and stay mindful of the bad health effects of holding rage inside for the sake of being a fucking lady.

      Meddle not in the affairs of dragons... for thou art crunchy and good with ketchup.

      by Pariah Dog on Mon Feb 25, 2013 at 06:07:41 AM PST

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      •  I live in an area (6+ / 0-)

        that is lttle more than a constantly swirling cesspool for the conscienceless clowns on the political right--too.

        Loaded with em'.

         I am very familiar with the high stress-level associated with maintaining a lady-like fucking demeanor---in the face of very real mean-spiritedness---actually contempt---cruelty---and a frightening ignorance.

        Stress lines---cracks and fissures  in the shellac.

        Mayan Word For 'Apocalypse' Actually Translates More Accurately As "Time Of Pale Obese Gun Monsters."......the Onion

        by lyvwyr101 on Mon Feb 25, 2013 at 11:41:48 AM PST

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    •  You bring up a point I would make (10+ / 0-)

      in contrast to this diary.

      FIRST, Let me say that I loved this diary and beleive it brings up a critical issue for the left. HOWEVER, having said that, the Internet (in general), and Daily Kos (in particular) represents a paradigm shift in the "top-down" media machines that have dominated this world. The internet is a viral network.... and this is where the liberal culture is coming awake fully and can finally respond to the propaganda games. We own this turf. This diary accurately represents the way things WERE prior to the Internet.

      Today... however, we have a (virtual) army ... the disparate virtual "netroots nation" of every liberal in every blog in every forum in every group on Facebook on Twitter ... everywhere .... and we DO and we ARE fighting the propaganda and we are doing a rather impressive job. I am not saying the job is over (it will never be over and it has only just begun) but note who is in the white house and note the state of affairs of the GOP... for starters.

      We are winning!

      But again... I loved this diary, because, historically speaking, this diarist is correct, but the tide is turning because of online groups like Daily Kos.

      •  We are winning? (6+ / 0-)

        Sorry, but the Class and Climate Wars were much smaller crises twenty years ago... DADT non withstanding, Civil Rights are much worse of today than 10 years ago.

        The internet may be providing opportunities we did not have 10 years, and Rush Limbaugh may claim that "the Left has won", but we are stilling losing much faster than we are gaining ground on the major issues of our times.

        An infinite number of more and better Democratic legislators will make little substantive difference in the Class and Climate Wars.

        by Words In Action on Mon Feb 25, 2013 at 07:25:22 AM PST

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        •  we will always be losing (5+ / 0-)

          we can never hope to own anger, self-righteousness or hatred the way that the political Right does.

          nuanced reasoning and an appreciation for complex causality guarantee it

          winning will not come to pass from doing what they have done only better

          "a lie that can no longer be challenged becomes a form of madness" -Debord

          by grollen on Mon Feb 25, 2013 at 08:54:21 AM PST

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        •  The tide is turning. (11+ / 0-)

          Massive social forces have inertia; the world was dominated by mass-media machines for more than a century, from the first "newspaper chains" of William Randolph Hearst to the now-flailing empire of Rupert Murdoch.  But that's the case no longer.  The supply of naive, unsophisticated minds to exploit has been winnowed down to near-nothingness, with even elementary-school children becoming adept at searching through competing stories on the internet.  The continuing sagas of lies, plagiarism, and deliberately-constructed stories has worn out belief, or even the willing suspension of disbelief.  My parents believed everything they saw on the nightly news which as Good Citizens they watched religiously at the appointed hour; my brother and I occasionally tune in in order to ascertain what projects and memes are being "pushed".  My nieces will never know what a TV news broadcast IS, although the twelve-year-old is being coached in geometry by her father directly from Euclid.

          We have stopped losing.  We held a line last August that will not be breached again.  The next round of revelations and recriminations will open up so many chinks in the Republican walls that you will be able to drive tanks through them.  The collapse and the Great Recession, combined with the obvious results of Global Warming in the form of Katrina and Sandy, have made the bankruptcy of their mythology transparent.  Their staunchest partisans cling to denialism precisely because they are rationally aware that the party is over, and they don't know what to do.  

          But has taken time for thirty years of conservative domination to loosen hold over the reins of power.  It will be another twenty years before we are completely rid of it, as some ideas become so rooted that you have to wait for the people holding them to literally die before you can be done with them.  That's what's going on with race prejudice today.  The youngest true racists left alive are in their forties.  The majority are already on Social Security.  Gay-bashing is slightly easier because parents who discover that their children are gay tend to give up their ideas rather than their own children.  That's a biological instinct.

          But we have just started to win.  So don't let the weariness of the long struggle get you down.  Now is the time that we must press ahead, and secure the victory.

          Gawds.  I'm beginning to sound like Sikander at a breached wall.  Damned training.
           

        •  I would echo what cynndar wrote... (0+ / 0-)

          "We are winning" does not mean that "we have won" or that the job is over or that there isn't decades of damage to undo.... but "the tide is turning" ... in fact, "The tide has turned!" is my main point. But there is still MASSIVE work to do, and they are still very powerful, it's just that we (the net) are/is more powerful.... but our's is a disparate global community power ..... so there's is more acute and easy to see, but our's is a macro tidal wave tsunami. The shift, I believe, occurred in 2005, and now it is a matter of our unstoppable force of nature ... but we have 50 to 100 years of damage to undo and correct. They are NOT dead. Far from it. But it is akin to Chess.... we have a "mate in 20 moves" situation, but it ain't mate yet, and we still must remain true to the course and then we shall prevail, because we have the numbers. But, yes, it is hard to see sometimes, from here, down in the trenches. But certain signs are representative of our "winning" ... and Obama's retaining the WH was far more huge than most probably realize. THAT crippled the GOP. It undermined their reigns of power in deep far reaching ways. We proved that no amount of money can buy the election again, no matter how massive. We undermined their strategy at the core, and this sent shockwaves throughout the plutocracy. Most people have no idea what this did. This shattered their spirit.

    •  LOL! :) Good point. nt (2+ / 0-)
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      We all understand that freedom isn't free. What Romney and Ryan don't understand is that neither is opportunity. We have to invest in it.
      Julian Castro, DNC 4 Sept 2012

      by pixxer on Mon Feb 25, 2013 at 06:56:24 AM PST

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    •  I'm not talking about just being viscerally angry. (7+ / 0-)

      I'm talking about first understanding the the true nature of the challenge we face in the form of these parasitic billionaires and their front groups, and then coming up with a clear strategy for their total annihilation, methodically, relentlessly, mercilessly, and ruthlessly.

      This needs to be done, now, and it needs to be done in this way, while we still have a chance to oppose them peacefully.

    •  Might want to check it out here (1+ / 0-)
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    •  compare our comments to RedState's (6+ / 0-)

      We hate conservatives about as much as we'd hate a toddler throwing a tantrum.

      We do not advocate for the elimination of conservatives one way or another.  We do not advocate for second class status for conservatives.  We don't argue for bloody revolution when Republicans are in charge.  We don't argue that being a conservative is fundamentally incompatible with being a good citizen or good person.  We don't argue that conservatives are benighted or malicious - at least not the rank and file ones - just scared ... the poor dears; we need to help them.  We don't argue that conservatives should be left to suffer when bad things happen to them, not even when they do it to themselves.

      Something's wrong when the bad guys are the utopian ones.

      by Visceral on Mon Feb 25, 2013 at 12:36:50 PM PST

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      •  We are more angry at what is being done... but (1+ / 0-)
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        not so much angry at most of the misguided dupes of the right wing pr machine... more pity for them and wariness of them going rabid... they are victims as much as echoers of the memes that they get fed... we are angry at those who abuse our democracy, at those that program the Fox audience, the Christan right, the racists and fearful people...

        Pogo & Murphy's Law, every time. Also "Trust but verify" - St. Ronnie (hah...)

        by IreGyre on Mon Feb 25, 2013 at 01:17:13 PM PST

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    •  They dont feel visceral malice (0+ / 0-)

      towards republicans. Hell the average Current dk user is an economic conservative/social liberal. (Ala clinton/dlc/obama).

      what they feel visceral malice towards is their particular strawman/stereotype.

      That set hate "evil unedumercated rednecks" cause they are where all the gop votes come from (Hint: whiter/richer/more male.. thats where republican votes come from).  The ultrafeminists hate anyone who doesnt think pba is awesome. the gun controllers hate anyone who dares touch a gun. The immigration extremists hate anyone who doesnt think we should literally have open borders etc.

      but they dont hate republicans.. they oft vote for htem. You'll see that the next election when the Obama extremists (the cultists not the sane long time democrats) begin voting republican again..

      A man is born as many men but dies as a single one.--Martin Heidegger

      by cdreid on Mon Feb 25, 2013 at 04:16:34 PM PST

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    •  Amateurs! (1+ / 0-)
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      The Left gets upset, sure, but we're truly amateurs at emotional reactions compared to the Right.

      And if you add lying, which is a critical component of current political thought, we're absolute babes in the woods.

      Visceral hate? We're not even on the map compared to Conservatives, Aynians, etc.

      A level playing field? Ha! The right has been slowly moving everything around to create situations where money rules. In the past there was a "Chinese wall" between advertising departments and programming departments in media operations. Gradually the wall disappeared and advertising (read: money) gained more and more control over programming (read: news and entertainment). Bye-bye truth. Bye-bye investigative reporting. Bye-bye news. Hello Fox News.

      This is a longer story and deserves a diary, so I'll save the rest for that.

      In the meantime, double-recs to the diarist, and I strongly urge him to keep hammering this point until one and all understand what's going on.

      A Southerner in Yankeeland

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