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  •  THE PROBLEM AS I SEE IT (3+ / 0-)
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    noway2, Faito, cdreid

    OK. I have guns and have even been a member of the NRA when I was little so you can class me as a gun owner.

    Probably the #1 thing you could do with guns to prevent real crime is to make them like a car.

    You have a title you sign over and when it goes from person to person the person has to have a background check.

    If a person goes insane or is rendered somehow incapable or violent then the gov't knows what and how many guns he has and can take them till he's considered sane or forever.

    Done right this system would basically dry up the guns supply for felons and those who can now buy guns illegally thru private sales.


    What is being considered if I understand correctly is that private gun sales would not be registered, but would have to go thru the instant check system where it does an instant check to make sure you are not prohibitied from purchasing guns.

    The thing is the way it is set up now, there is no record of the instant check, which you have to do at a dealer because in order to get it passed that was the way had to be.


    So if a person lives in a state where guns are not registered, and there is no record of them every owning them anywhere, they can pretty much sell them to a third party even IF we would pass mandatory background check.

      Without gun registration nobody knows you own the guns and nobody can tell if you did the check or not since no records are kept on them.

       Now the feds have records on gun purchases after 1968, but they are hard to access by design and who knows how many of the guns sold since have changed hands over and over.

      So a instant background check without the guns actually being able to be registered is not enforcable.


    OK so right now I think National Gun Registration is pretty much a NO GO.

    First the NRA has been going around for 40 years saying registration means confiscation.

    Second in other countries and in some states in the US that have registries they HAVE been used to confiscate guns so the fear is not groundless.

    Then we have people here who say that gun owners are paranoid, that nobody wants to take their guns, but then we have posts saying ban all guns and we also have assault weapons bans in progress so there is NO TRUST on the gun owners side.


    The way I see it we need to have guns just like a car, with registration and checks even on sales between individuals.

    I think HELLER was a first step. It said that the second amendment was an INDIVIDUAL right.

    However I think an assault weapons ban would have to go before the Supremes and be struck down for us to get anywhere close to people feeling comfortable with registration.

    Demographically gun owners are enough of a block that I don't think we will see national gun registration till they can be fully convinced that somehow it won't lead to confiscation.  We will either need further definition on the scope of Heller or a new amendment or law to make it possible.

    •  But there is (1+ / 0-)
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      no convincing many, many gun owners (of the paranoid right wing variety who fear BHO's black helis and who think there is a Right of Insurrection implied by the 2nd Amendment) that registration will not lead to confiscation.  

      These same people in many cases crow about how wonderful and safe Switzerland is, despite its many guns, although these same people would never, ever agree to the type of basic gun control legislation that country has on the books.

      •  That country (0+ / 0-)

        requires gun ownership.

        If you require US gun ownership noone would have a problem with registration. But you wont.

        Strawmen are for lazy minds.

        A man is born as many men but dies as a single one.--Martin Heidegger

        by cdreid on Mon Feb 25, 2013 at 04:05:26 PM PST

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