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  •  Bear in mind that may be old news - I don't (1+ / 0-)
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    know how many states have tightened the alcohol part of their laws since 2010.

    It's quite possible while the media was whipping up hysteria about concealed carry permits, that states have stepped up efforts to separate lawful alcohol use and lawful RKBA.

    Propaganda - Inducing fear on the gun safety side.

    Public reaction: What!? Concealed permit holder can take their gun into a bar?!  That can't be right!!!! We should ban guns in bars!! Those gun nuts are crazy!

    But, if they also at the same time, made it against the law to carry while under the influence, then that's already a big improvement in public safety.

    We don't seem to hear much about recent changes that have separated lawful behavior (drinking, even drinking a lot) and firearm ownership/use.

    "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2004

    by LilithGardener on Mon Feb 25, 2013 at 02:37:53 PM PST

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    •  I only research the murder-suicide (1+ / 0-)
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      ...aspect of violent crime, which is about 85 percent in the home and about 90 percent handgun related. It happens all day everyday in the US.

      Perhaps 40 to 50 percent of such incidents include alcohol.



      Denial is a drug.

      by Pluto on Mon Feb 25, 2013 at 02:51:31 PM PST

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      •  I'm guessing that alcohol or other impairment (1+ / 0-)
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        is a big factor in accidental shootings too.

        Best ref I found so far is form 2010, Collaboration at UPenn.

        Alcohol is a factor in 20% of accidental deaths by firearms.
        Alcohol is a factor in 25% of vehicle accidental deaths.

        Prevention of drunk driving, and prosecution when it occurs is one of the 20th centuries public health achievements.

        "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2004

        by LilithGardener on Mon Feb 25, 2013 at 02:57:42 PM PST

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