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  •  Not necessarily (10+ / 0-)

    According to traditional European ceremonial magic the whole point is to invoke the power of Capital-G-God to gain control over the spirits.  I don't know what they do in Thailand, but just because prayer was used to gain magical powers doesn't mean that the prayer wasn't monotheistic.

    •  There is an enormous tension... (17+ / 0-)

      one could even call it a contradiction, in various portions of the Bible (though it also could be an artifact of multiple translations) that would indicate in one place that there is only a single deity while suggesting elsewhere that there are multiple deities but only one of them is to be worshiped.

      I wonder as well if there aren't any contradictions between traditional European magic, or other systems of magical belief that have been imported into the various Western religions and the basic tenets of those religions. It would seem, at least, that the very possibility of invoking God's aid in controlling spirits for selfish aims ought to be viewed as theologically problematic.

      There are numerous prohibitions, particularly, I believe, in Deuteronomy, against consorting with "familiar spirits" and the like. The question still remains: is there an implicit acknowledgement that such entities exist? And, if so, how does that comport with monotheism?

      •  not just translations (1+ / 0-)
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        multiple authors, edits, etc.

        ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

        by James Allen on Mon Feb 25, 2013 at 08:53:10 PM PST

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        •  Yes that as well (0+ / 0-)

          Nobody knows for sure where the originals came from or even if there WERE originals as we'd understand the term. Nobody did the editing or looked for inconsistencies, it just got assembled over time. And yet some insist on believing that it was "inerrant" and "infallible" and that the words on the page before them came directly (exactly in the form in front of them) from the Dude in the Sky. We live in a world of willful delusions.

      •  Does it contradict the basic tenants? (0+ / 0-)

        As far as I understand, monotheism's main point is that Capital-G-God is supreme - not necessarily that she/he/it is the only spiritual being.  The references throughout the Bible to other spiritual beings both demonic and angelic are vast.  Any Christian or Jew who denied their existence would be basing their beliefs on something other than the Bible.  The traditional commentary in both religions also strong asserts the existence of spiritual beings - both angelic and demonic.  The idea that this somehow is a problem or contradiction only arises out of enlightenment philosophical reasoning about the nature of God.

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