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  •  Sequestration was the essence of "bipartisanship" (5+ / 0-)

    House Dems split evenly (95-95) on it, and Senate Dems supported it by a landslide vote of 45-6.  It was a bad idea then and a worse idea now, but, betweeen the 2 houses, a total of 202 Goopers and 140 Dems voted for it.

    In signing the bill, the president stated:

    Is this the deal I would have preferred?  No,” Mr. Obama said Sunday in announcing the agreement. “But this compromise does make a serious down payment on the deficit reduction we need, and gives each party a strong incentive to get a balanced plan done before the end of the year.”
    If one hates sequestration, one must hate bipartisanship, too.

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    by RFK Lives on Tue Feb 26, 2013 at 07:28:09 AM PST

    •  A reasonable position, but I disagree completely. (5+ / 0-)

      The sequester was a great idea, and I'm hopeful that it will lead to some useful back-and-forth between parties who seem to have turned their backs on the forth.

      I have a certain sympathy for Boehner -- he's got some real whackadoodles to herd.  He's reached a couple of deals, then been unable to deliver his own caucus.

      I think we need the political theatre now to make  some people sweat in their cushy little congress chairs.

      The issue, you see, is not whether people will or will not suffer.  People suffer now.  A lot of them.  Have been for the last several years, and many of them are losing hope of ever working again.

      The sequester may have been designed to get the attention of legislators, but now it's managed to get the attention of the population.  Let's see how much give-and-take our leaders are willing to do with people watching and tapping their feet.

      If they insist on being dickheads, dredge out FDR's 1934 playbook.  That one worked pretty damned well for him.

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      by dinotrac on Tue Feb 26, 2013 at 07:36:01 AM PST

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      •  Boehner doesn't want to control the TP idiots. (1+ / 0-)
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        He has far more power heading a party full of insane, fundamentalist, religious and economic terrorists.  The Democrats haven't been able to bend over fast enough to try to stop him and his colleagues from intentionally crashing our nation, and they can't get it through their stupid thick skulls that you can't negotiate with hostage takers:  And you CERTAINLY don't give them more hostages.  What the FUCK were they thinking?

        The sequester was such a fucking TERRIBLE idea, I can't imagine how you'd say otherwise:  At least, for Democrats, it was.  It's working out pretty well for Republicans, regardless of what all the sour-grapers around here are saying.  This kind of economic chaos and destruction is what they want:  it's the short-sell environment that makes them and their friends even richer than they are, decreases working and living standards, destroys labor, and pushes us even closer to feudalism than we already are.

        These cuts will be devastating, and there's no world in which they were a good idea for the country.

        •  I'd say it's a great idea because it IS a great (0+ / 0-)

          idea.

          Nothing was working.
          The GOP has felt no need to recognize that they lost the last election.

          So...

          Let the sequester happen -- it will be far less painful than all the Chicken Littles pretend, but it will make real cuts in defense spending.

          It also provides a basis for our dearly despised legilators to come up with things that people might actually like.

          Once the sequester has happened, the trigger has been pulled. The negotiations will be about putting things back on the table, and plenty of opportunity for smart politics.

          If you have no faith in the Democrats, that is a very scary place to be.

          Unless, of course, you're one of the forgotten millions of long-term unemployed people.  You're already in a scary place.  Shaking things up might actually help you.  Nothing else has.

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          by dinotrac on Tue Feb 26, 2013 at 10:34:21 AM PST

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    •  Yes, but: (5+ / 0-)

      The thing to remember was that this was the Dem party having to hold their nose and change the gop's dirty diaper because the gop was going to "hold hostages" etc. blah, blah.

      No one said "letting the sequestration go into effect is a great idea".

      Boehner did say, "I got 98% of what I wanted."

      It's important not to get forgetful and start glazing over the event with false equivalency.

      You can't make this stuff up.

      by David54 on Tue Feb 26, 2013 at 07:44:42 AM PST

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      •  Had debt ceiling been raised in 12/10 sequestering (5+ / 0-)

        never would've been an issue.  The following exchange took place at the 12/7/10 press conference:

        Marc Ambinder.

              Q    Mr. President, thank you.  How do these negotiations affect negotiations or talks with Republicans about raising the debt limit?  Because it would seem that they have a significant amount of leverage over the White House now, going in.  Was there ever any attempt by the White House to include raising the debt limit as a part of this package?

              THE PRESIDENT:  When you say it would seem they’ll have a significant amount of leverage over the White House, what do you mean?

              Q    Just in the sense that they’ll say essentially we’re not going to raise the -- we’re not going to agree to it unless the White House is able to or willing to agree to significant spending cuts across the board that probably go deeper and further than what you’re willing to do.  I mean, what leverage would you have --

              THE PRESIDENT:  Look, here’s my expectation -- and I’ll take John Boehner at his word -- that nobody, Democrat or Republican, is willing to see the full faith and credit of the United States government collapse, that that would not be a good thing to happen.  And so I think that there will be significant discussions about the debt limit vote.  That’s something that nobody ever likes to vote on.  But once John Boehner is sworn in as Speaker, then he’s going to have responsibilities to govern.  You can’t just stand on the sidelines and be a bomb thrower.

              And so my expectation is, is that we will have tough negotiations around the budget, but that ultimately we can arrive at a position that is keeping the government open, keeping Social Security checks going out, keeping veterans services being provided, but at the same time is prudent when it comes to taxpayer dollars.

        The hostage-taking that took place 7 months later was both predictable and preventable.

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        by RFK Lives on Tue Feb 26, 2013 at 07:59:51 AM PST

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    •  95 Democratic congress-critters (1+ / 0-)
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      ..were aware that their Republican counterparts weren't rational actors and voted against the sequestration bill? Color me surprised.

      It seems as if the President is finally "getting it."

      You can't bargain in good faith with the certifiably insane.

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      by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Tue Feb 26, 2013 at 08:29:52 AM PST

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