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  •  I thought about that 500% figure too (3+ / 0-)
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    before going with it. Then I pulled out my calculator and multiplied 10 million by 500% and that equals 50 million.

    Precision in discussions like this is not the point. The official figures we read are not precise, and in fact no precise figure is possible. Whether a person is chronically hungry or starving to death, either way it's a failure of our society and our government because no one should suffer from insufficient food in the supposedly greatest nation on earth.

    Thanks for showing the percentages by population differences. Your figures highlight the magnitude of the problem: from 5% hungry to 16% hungry is appalling.

    Thanks for your input.


    For the first time in human history, we possess both the means for destroying all life on Earth or realizing a paradise on the planet--Michio Kaku.

    by psyched on Wed Feb 27, 2013 at 10:31:16 AM PST

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    •  Accuracy matters (2+ / 0-)
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      The right lies all the time.  We should be reality-based on the left.

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      by Scott in NAZ on Wed Feb 27, 2013 at 11:19:04 AM PST

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      •  You are correct (2+ / 0-)
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        that accuracy matters. The reality here is that there is a huge problem of citizen access to food (and nutritious food) and no one knows how precise the numbers are on people with varying degrees of hunger. Government figures are not and cannot be precise, and most likely err on the low side because government number-minders will usually try to make matters seem less severe.

        The intent of the diary is not to seek out precision data, which are impossible to find, but to highlight a big problem and call attention to the movie that also calls attention to the problem. So to me it doesn't matter for the purposes of this diary whether it's a 200%, 400% or 500% increase. These figures can't be known for certain anyway. It just matters that the problem is enormous.

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        For the first time in human history, we possess both the means for destroying all life on Earth or realizing a paradise on the planet--Michio Kaku.

        by psyched on Wed Feb 27, 2013 at 12:11:40 PM PST

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        •  It's not okay to lie just for a good cause (1+ / 0-)
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          Exaggerating the figures only makes you look bad.  Better to be truthful.  If people aren't shocked by a tripling of the hunger rate, then we have a problem as a society.  But inflating the numbers is not the solution to that problem.

          The next Noah will work a short shift. - Charles Bowden

          by Scott in NAZ on Wed Feb 27, 2013 at 01:16:47 PM PST

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          •  I wasn't lying (0+ / 0-)

            Just a miscalculation on percentages. But who's to say that the 500% figure isn't closer to reality than 400%.
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            For the first time in human history, we possess both the means for destroying all life on Earth or realizing a paradise on the planet--Michio Kaku.

            by psyched on Wed Feb 27, 2013 at 01:52:12 PM PST

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        •  Also (1+ / 0-)
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          Just because the estimate may be off, doesn't give you the freedom to assume that the actual number is higher.  In the absence of better evidence, you have to assume that the data you have are correct.

          The next Noah will work a short shift. - Charles Bowden

          by Scott in NAZ on Wed Feb 27, 2013 at 01:17:51 PM PST

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          •  As I said, (0+ / 0-)

            I didn't assume it was higher. It was a calculational error.

            Also, I am not happy with turning human suffering into mathematical terms. Yeah, I know, government statisticians have to do that just as censuses must be taken, even though these are never precise either.

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            For the first time in human history, we possess both the means for destroying all life on Earth or realizing a paradise on the planet--Michio Kaku.

            by psyched on Wed Feb 27, 2013 at 01:56:24 PM PST

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