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  •  Why assume they aren't trying to find a way (1+ / 0-)
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    for everyone to come?  And why assume that this is an either/or situation?  

    Whats your proof?  Particularly when you have someone like Elon Musk who is funding a LOT of clean tech, and space development?

    •  Its self evident most everyone isnt going anywhere (1+ / 0-)
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      Not when the clock is going to run out in 200 years or less.
      A BLADERUNNER dystopia is an optimistic scenario compared to whats actually likely to happen on Earth.

    •  and ruin Galt's Gulch with proles?! (1+ / 0-)
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      The whole point of Galt's Gulch was to leave everyone behind to die.  They go and they build their perfect little society just for them, while all the dumb animals that bit the hand that fed them one too many times are deprived of their genius and mighty ubermensch Will and without leadership will just stumble around without a clue or a care until they starve.

      They might bring a handful of people who personally wait on them, but they might instead go back to how it was in the days before professional servants, when junior aristocrats served senior aristocrats.  Mere billionaires will become servants to low multi-billionaires, who will become servants to high multi-billionaires.

      Besides, these people are such complete narcissists that I doubt it would even occur to them to bring working folk.  They truly think it's their CEO magic that makes stuff happen because they want it.

      •  Being rich doesn't mean you are an @$$ hole (3+ / 0-)
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        Yes, I will fully accept that there are rich people who are jerks, who take the attitude that of "I earned everything good that happens to me" and so forth, who subscribe to Ayn Rand's ideals, and so forth.  

        But that is NOT a prerequisite for  being rich.  Or even Mega-rich.  I've known more than a few people who are poor who have a total Ayn Rand perspective.  And I've seen people who are wealthy take an enlightened attitude (look at George Soros, or Warren Buffet, or Elon Musk).  

        •  do you think you'll have a seat on their lifeboat? (0+ / 0-)

          I'm not so deluded as to think they're going to let me go to space, much less give me a seat on the ark, so I honestly could care less if anyone goes to space.  In and of itself, space isn't wrong, just irrelevant.  I'm far more interested in dealing with the brewing (and surprisingly literal) shitstorm here on Earth that I'm going to have to live through no matter how much "epic" the Heinleinian supermen are having up in space.

          To the extent that space will interfere with dealing with the terrestrial shitstorm, I am definitely opposed to it.  And no, escape for a handful of rich people and/or breeding stock is not "dealing with it".

          •  Am going to repost my response to Happy Ones (1+ / 0-)
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            1)  I would argue that space development and space settlement can go hand in hand with helping the planet.  Its not an escape hatch, but rather, its a place where certain activities that really shouldn't take place on earth are more conducive.  

            Added to that, is the point that, at the end of the day, I don't believe our "world" should be limited to a single planet.  We should be able to develop space, and settle space, and still keep the planet in good shape (or rather, return it to good shape).  

            2)  Technically, we live in a containerized environment, even now (its just a very big container).

            So, done properly and responsibly (and I admit that asks a lot of us as a species) space development isn't about leaving one house you've trashed to move into another.  Rather, its about adding on new sections to your original small house

            In short - no, space is NOT irrelevant.  We already know that it won't be.  

          •  Climate science started with probe to Venus (2+ / 0-)
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            Happy Ones, JBNathan85

            According to Neil deGrasse Tyson our probe discovered a phenomenon in its atmosphere now called the runaway green house effect. Once aware of it and of carbon dioxide being a primary driver we started looking at our own atmosphere and effects of carbon dioxide. Without NASA we might be decades behind realizing the global warming we are encountering. Space exploration may help us dodge a bullet which we might have never seen coming otherwise.

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