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  •  guns don't kill people, (5+ / 0-)

    grandmas kill people.  this is just so sad.  2 lovely children lost and a bi polar woman with is gun is to blame.  there is no end to the horror, is there?  of course, the nra is not for guns for the mentally ill, just for everyone, all the time, in every place, amen.  as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, guns without end.  people's lives, not so much.

    •  I think the NRA is a bit two faced (5+ / 0-)

      when it comes to guns and mental illness.

      They are on record as not wanting mentally ill people to posses guns but they are also on record of wanting those who have been "cured" (ie on Meds) to regain and restore those rights.......well, what happens when that person who may be being treated successfully goes off their Meds?

      Considering  the above case - I'll wait for the facts to come out but I won't be surprised if, considering Grandma was authorized to pick up her grandkids - that she went off her Meds - the Amber alert was issued knowing that something very tragic could occur.

      Sad, sad and potentially preventable.

      The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

      by ctexrep on Wed Feb 27, 2013 at 09:54:45 AM PST

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      •  One problem with the NRA's approach to (1+ / 0-)
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        mental illness is that they are pushing for a list of mentally ill people, all of them, on a scanable list as part of NCIS. Considering that privacy issues and the fact that a list of this type can and will end up being used to discriminate in hiring, housing, et cetera, they believe that to preserve their (alleged) 2nd rights, that the rest of us have to give up our 4th and 5th. That is something we should fight.
        The way it COULD work is from the other direction: If you are about to purchase a gun and the dealer does a background check, you are voluntarily opening your psych/medical record to scrutiny. It may slow down the Background Check (currently 15-30 minutes) because that information is not conveniently collected in any central location, but that would ensure that the only people who's privacy is disturbed are active gun purchasers.
        The existence of a "crazy" list, as well as being a potential tool for discrimination, would also likely deter people from seeking help they need. Getting past the stigma of "Mental Illness" is tough enough, particularly for people who don't know/believe that they are mentally troubled. The added disincentive of a list of this sort would contribute to many more people not getting the help that need.
        You often hear that mentally ill people are more likely to be the victims of gun violence than the perpetrators. And in the case of classically defined Mental Illness, that is probably true. I'd posit that most of the people who kill are, by their actions, displaying a form of mental illness. It may also be augmented by depression or paranoia or schizophrenia or any number of other problems, but the act of killing another human is not the action of a healthy mind.
        But then, I also believe that people who are so scared of possible home invaders or the black helicopters that they have to own an arsenal and keep loaded guns within their reach at all times, are also a little loose on their moorings.

        If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

        by CwV on Wed Feb 27, 2013 at 10:38:12 AM PST

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        •  Actually, the states are already supposed to (0+ / 0-)

          submit records of adjudications of mental incompetency to the FBI for inclusion in the NICS database.  The problem is that many states don't do that.  The Virginia Tech shooter, for example, should have been listed on the NICS database when he went to buy the guns he used in that shooting, but Virginia hadn't complied with the requirement to upload those adjudications.  So he wasn't in the database, and he passed the background check.  

          It's already a requirement of federal law that people adjudicated mentally incompetent are ineligible to purchase a firearm.  For all the NRA's faults (and this gun owner readily acknowledges there are many), the NRA is actually right on this one.

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