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  •  I have a BIG problem even if it's an elective. (4+ / 0-)
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    bear83, Cassandra Waites, WakeUpNeo, JDsg

    Can you iamgine the treatment of kids who choose NOT tot ake it in a heavily fundy district? Kidslike Catholcis and Jews and Muslims?

    It's a REAL problem.

    COnversation with Obnoxious Niece Thing 1 (so named along with her cousin after the creatures from Cat in the Hat):

    MOI: "I kinda wonder how good an idea it is to have a Christian service clu to fulfill your HS community service requirement.  What about kids who aren't Christian?"

    T1:  "They can join the other service club."

    MOI: But what if all their friends are Christian? I mean you start the meetings with a prayer that ends 'in Jesus'Name' right?"

    T21 "Yes, but they can join the other club where they don't pray."

    MOI:  But like I said, most of the students here are Chriatian so what if they want to do their service with their friends who are all in the Christian club?"

    T1 : "I guess they can just pray to their god while we pray to the real one."

    MOI: "What if it was YOUR friend? Or you? GWOuldn't you feel funny?"

    T1: "I don't have any friends whoa en't CHristians. ANd I'm a Christian so why would it bother me?"

    It was attempt to open a mind closed tighter than a locked bank vault. She has NO empathy at all and couldn't imagine how someone might feel who wasn't a Christian.  Can you imagine what she'd be like to the wrong kind of Christians (Catholics and Episcoplains) who didn't take the Bible class? And, sadly, she is fairly typical (other niece T2 is even worse, mean as a snake and holier-than-thou and on her way to becoming SIster Bertha Better-than-you.).I towuld give them another reason to bully.

    The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

    by irishwitch on Wed Feb 27, 2013 at 12:53:58 PM PST

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    •  But you're basing your opinion on... (0+ / 0-)

      ...a whole lot of "can you imagine?"s

      •  No. I LIVE in GA. 10 years now. (2+ / 0-)
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        WakeUpNeo, JDsg

        I lived in No. FL for 6 years. I KNOW the damned area. I know the religious mentality. And with my niece T1, I was desperately trying to get her to think about something  from the point of view of someone NOT a clone of her. She couldn't.  

        I am WIccan. My in-laws can't handle that. Hell, this area has trouble with CATHOLICS and JEWS, forget pagans. I speak from experience, not imagination. Non-CHristians and the Wrong Kind of Chritians don't do well down here. I speak from experience and talking to kids whoa ren't cookie cutte clones of my niece.

        The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

        by irishwitch on Wed Feb 27, 2013 at 01:11:32 PM PST

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        •  Don't worry -- they'll never fund it adequately (2+ / 0-)
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          because they never fund anything adequately.

        •  I can say that based on your comment (0+ / 0-)

          that you probably don't know North Carolina. I lived there for 32 years and I don't think that the things that you fear would occur. Anyway it's all speculation at this point.

          •  I have spent tiem there. (0+ / 0-)

            I think it would depend on what school district.  The more rural areas aren't all that friendly to non-Christians. Asheville, the tourist areas and the beaches would be better, as would Research Triangle Park. It is still the South however--and being a non-Christian ANYWHERE down here is problematic.

            I bet you were not a non-Christian,  either.  A LOT depends upon walking in the shoes of soemone who doesn't fit in--and kids LOOK for reasons to pick on others, any difference will do. I HAVE been a teacher.

            The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

            by irishwitch on Wed Feb 27, 2013 at 07:38:44 PM PST

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        •  However, (0+ / 0-)

          I do agree with you that the class is a bad idea. It's best to leave religious studies out of public schools. It's not their bailiwick.

          •  Only thing I'd like to see is Comparative (1+ / 0-)
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            Religion in high schools--because so many Christians are wildly ignorant about any faith other than THEIR brand of Christianity.  They don't even know what Catholics and Jews beelive, let alone Muslims, Hindus (we have a Hindu etemple in the Atlanta area), Buddhists--and pagans all worship demons and sacrifice babies and black cats to them (they don't get that Satanism is the inversion of their faith and has nothing to do with pagansim or Wcca). It might go well to dispel some of the fear people have of those of different faiths.

            The problem would be to keep the tacher from favoring his own faith and making rude remarks about the others.  I can easily see someone who was fundamentalist Christian (especially a preacher) telling their class that all the OTHER religions are leis and will lead them straight to hell--or communicating that to the students in a more subtle way if they don't come right out and say it.  I can also see fundamentalist Christians (and I focus on them because they are the most numerous in the South, and also the most narrow-minded and inclined to separatism, only hanging out with people fromt heir church or one just like it) screaming bloody murder that OTHER religions are treated with equal respect to their own.

            But then, I studied comparative religion on my own, as well as in college, have read the Q'Oran and Hadiith, and soem of the Buddhist scriptures--and spent 7 years in Japan where I felt wondrously at home in SHinto shrines and Buddhsit temples alike.

            The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

            by irishwitch on Wed Feb 27, 2013 at 07:46:55 PM PST

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            •  I agree (0+ / 0-)

              That a good comparative religion class would be a great way to expand the world view of many kids. I have an interest in comparative theology and I have read the Bible, the Q'uran, the Bhagavad gita, etc. It was all very informative and taught me a lot about human culture. Unfortunately think that in a public school, the quality of the class would be very uneven (like in government and economics classes). That's why I think that comparative religious studies should be left to the university.

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