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  •  dont get me wrong (2+ / 0-)
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    HeyMikey, Neuroptimalian

    I am convincable that its a senseful thing to do, only I dont see the sense of it yet ... and just "to spite the emptiness of time and vastness of space" ... that seems a bit vainglorious to me. I mean, if that is the reason, whats the difference between this and the Baumgartner jump from the stratosphere? I mean, let him do it if he wishes and pays, but why should anyone care?

    I care a lot about space exploration (totally want to see it paid for publicly) but I fail to see how (at this moment) humans out there add anything that machines cant do?  

    •  Me too. Higher space priorities. (0+ / 0-)

      Four higher priorities for space projects:

      1. Detect killer asteroids. Some of this is being done now, but not enough.

      2. Figure out how to deflect killer asteroids.

      3. The space elevator. This would make everything else we want to do in space, especially human flights, easier and cheaper. The space elevator is the human-flight multiplier. Get that working ASAP and we'd soon accumulate more human flights than continuing to try to do them sooner the current (hard, expensive) way.

      4. Send out nanoscale probes at near-light speeds, and figure out how to bring them back. With small enough probes and long-duration propulsion, we can achieve near-light speeds. And we can gather far more knowledge than by sending a couple of humans to orbit Mars.

      "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

      by HeyMikey on Wed Feb 27, 2013 at 02:34:31 PM PST

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      •  Maybe in a century #3 & #4 (1+ / 0-)
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        Troubadour

        Even in the most theoretical sense, Lithium 6 fusion could power a ship to 550 AU to leave off a telescope that would use the sun as a grav lens. 10 yr round trip.

        And Polywell Fusion might work.

        ...... Social Security blogathon March 25th thru March 29th. #HandsOffmySS FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

        by Roger Fox on Wed Feb 27, 2013 at 06:40:27 PM PST

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      •  There are immensely well-funded efforts (0+ / 0-)

        already underway to detect, deflect, and/or mine asteroids.  It's called Planetary Resources Incorporated.

        As for the space elevator, it's not even rigorously known whether that will ever be a practical possibility for Earth.  However, it is known that it probably is for the Moon and/or Mars, and that building such a thing there would help demonstrate the technology for a later version for Earth if possible.

        What the hell is the purpose of probes if you're not going to use what you learn to go anywhere?  Why not just retreat into a survivalist compound in Idaho and send out drone aircraft to watch the world happen?

        How can it be a "free" market if you're forced to work for it?

        by Troubadour on Wed Feb 27, 2013 at 10:26:27 PM PST

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    •  The tech issues to land and return are (2+ / 0-)
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      prohibitive financially, but there are significant physiological and psychological questions that could be addressed by a flyby. And it's the shortest route/flight path that will be available for almost two decades. So in several senses, it's good dry run and would likely provide valuable data for the eventual manned landing. And the design/production advances and research would filter out into other areas of endeavor.

      The less quantifiable, but still substantial, benefits would be the inspiration it would provide for us ground-bound. ;-)

      Information is abundant, wisdom is scarce. ~The Druid.
      ~Ideals aren't goals, they're navigation aids.~

      by FarWestGirl on Wed Feb 27, 2013 at 03:34:54 PM PST

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    •  I remember Apollo 8. (2+ / 0-)
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      marsanges, Troubadour

      And before that Pioneer And Ranger.

      What does that mean to you?

      ...... Social Security blogathon March 25th thru March 29th. #HandsOffmySS FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

      by Roger Fox on Wed Feb 27, 2013 at 05:44:36 PM PST

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      •  Mmmm, no. I remember an Apollo 8... (0+ / 0-)

        journey that took a few DAYS, and orbited the Moon 10 times.

        This is almost 1.5 years, with 10 fricking hours nearer than 100,000 kms.

        Naw. This is dumb. Lost in Space dumb.

        IF they would orbit several days, OK.

        Ugh. --UB.

        "Daddy, every time a bell rings, a Libertaria­n picks up his Pan Am tickets for the Libertaria­n Paradise of East Somalia!"

        by unclebucky on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 04:38:47 PM PST

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