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    HeyMikey, Neuroptimalian

    I just wondered if its wise to send a couple out there who then need to discuss their relationship?
    (Although that could be something to talk about during all the time in which machines would simply sleep contentedly)

    joking aside, what is there that is not sufficient on Earth? Why do we need to go to mars next tuesday? We have been on earth barely six thousand years (as anything resembling a civilization) and are at the brink of squandering it. Mars isnt going to go away anytime soon. The Next Step, if you call it so, for me, would be to try and learn to live on Earth in a way that we are secure and don´t have to expect overshoot and collapse within one generation. Let´s get through the crisis on hand first. If we manage that, then we´ll also be much better equipped (mentally) to learn to live on Mars - that may be the relatively nicest place out there, but it´s still much less nice than nearly anywhere here, where we havent yet figured out how to live stably.

    In the meantime, as you seem to agree, we can proceed to explore ... with probes.

    It´s easier for humans to colonize the bottom of the North Sea than Mars, yet no one would suggest that we need to do that now. We might do that, in due time to come, if we manage to hang on. Similarly, we might eventually get to Mars. But we need to hang on first.

    Therefore, for now, at the current state of things, this seems to me to be so magnitudinally precocious (to talk about the step to Mars) as, say, to talk about how the coming communism will look like. If you allow the metaphor. Yes - if we survive - we´ll get there. But we´ll better concentrate on getting past ten thousand other things first or we´ll get nowhere.

    •  You're so wrong I don't know where to begin. (3+ / 0-)
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      DanceHallKing, groversald, Mortifyd
      what is there that is not sufficient on Earth?
      What is there that wasn't sufficient in your mother's womb that you decided to leave?
      Why do we need to go to mars next tuesday?
      What's this "we" shit?  Nobody invited you, and nobody's expecting you to pay anything for it.  Why does it bother you that someone else sees a larger purpose than you do?
      We have been on earth barely six thousand years (as anything resembling a civilization) and are at the brink of squandering it.
      In which case a larger perspective would be beneficial - not retreating into parochialism and petty material exigencies.
      The Next Step, if you call it so, for me, would be to try and learn to live on Earth in a way that we are secure and don´t have to expect overshoot and collapse within one generation.
      How is that contrary to having manned space exploration, which drives solar panel and recycling technology through sheer necessity while inspiring people to work toward better futures?  Your idea of "secure" is bizarrely primitive - i.e., that being aware of and willing to work on a higher level somehow magically invites disaster.
      It´s easier for humans to colonize the bottom of the North Sea than Mars
      No, it isn't.
      But we´ll better concentrate on getting past ten thousand other things first or we´ll get nowhere.
      And yet instead of focusing on those ten thousand other things, you're here talking about this because someone else might do something bigger than you're used to.  Interesting.

      How can it be a "free" market if you're forced to work for it?

      by Troubadour on Wed Feb 27, 2013 at 02:03:36 PM PST

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    •  Thats an excuse not to do stuff (2+ / 0-)
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      Troubadour, Mortifyd

      and potentially a self fulfilling prophecy.

      I'm not willing to risk staying on Earth for exactly the same reasons you dont want to risk leaving.

      Hematite is gone, taconite is next, we have to develop the resources, experience now. Or we may never go.

      Establishing space based infrastructure is vital to relieve environmental pressures on Terra Firma.

      SO youre saying humans are not mature enough, we need to learn to live on earth first......

      What evah

      ...... Social Security blogathon March 25th thru March 29th. #HandsOffmySS FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

      by Roger Fox on Wed Feb 27, 2013 at 06:28:04 PM PST

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    •  colonize the North Sea? What tripe........ OMG (1+ / 0-)
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      ...... Social Security blogathon March 25th thru March 29th. #HandsOffmySS FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

      by Roger Fox on Wed Feb 27, 2013 at 06:29:04 PM PST

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    •  The climate crisis can be handled and (0+ / 0-)

      people can go to Mars. It doesn't seem that difficult to me.

      relax relate release

      by terrypinder on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 06:56:10 AM PST

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