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View Diary: Question: Is Rape Funny? Answer: Not Until We Realize It's Not (86 comments)

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  •  If Rape has been condemned since the Old Testament (13+ / 0-)

    then why does Lot gives his daughters to be raped in the Book of Leviticus? Why was it legal for a man to rape his wife until the late 1970s in some states? Why do some states still not have statutes that recognize men can be raped? Why do judges give sentence reductions to rapists because they weren't "rough enough" when they raped the woman for it to "count"? Why do we still counsel women on ways to avoid getting raped, as if it is their responsibility, rather than advising rapists to stop raping?

    Rape jokes do not upset me. They make me uncomfortable, and worried about yet another manifestation of rape culture - a culture that will never be countermanded until we actively do so, hence the article.

    •  ...and? (0+ / 0-)

      Murder's still legal today, under certain circumstances; even excepting those, people still frequently get away with it.

      If the qualification of something being acceptable joke fodder is societal perfection, we aren't going to be doing much humor about anything.

      (As a unrelated aside, nothing in Bible states that Lot's actions regarding his daughters was actually proper, only that he did it.)

      •  I could prolong this debate... (7+ / 0-)

        but we have both made our positions clear, and it is equally clear that neither of us are going to change our minds.

        It seems we view society through two different lenses, as I feel compelled to point out that in no way is murder legal, as in the circumstances where society has deemed it acceptable, it does not meet the legal definitions of murder - and further differences between societal approaches to murder and rape. I would further point out that it is not societal perfection I am seeking - I say nothing about the actual prevalence of the crime, and my proposed definition is not absolute (note the uses of "almost" and "most").

        But I am sure you have equally compelling reasons why your position is the correct one. But that's ok, we don't have to agree.

        Thank you for taking the time to engage in discussion with me.

      •  um , no, (6+ / 0-)

        http://en.wikipedia.org/...

        Murder is the unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, of another person
        There are numerous instances in the OT which make it clear the woman is considered property. As such, rape is merely an offense against the male owner's property interest. A woman may be offered up to be raped if it suits her owner, see, for example, the tale of Sodom & Gomorrah.

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