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  •  They're allowed to store ammo at home. They're (5+ / 0-)

    no longer issued ammo for home.

    That's not the same thing.  Ammo is available.

    They have near total restrictions on the purchase and use of ammunition.
    No, they don't.  Any law abiding citizen who can pass a background check can buy most long guns.  

    The response to NRA bullshit needs to be accurate.

    income gains to the top 1% from 2009 to 2011 were 121% of all income increases. How did that happen? Incomes to the bottom 99% fell by 0.4%

    by JesseCW on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 06:18:10 PM PST

    •  According to the sources in this article... (3+ / 0-)
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      Ammo can be purchased at shooting ranges but must be expended at the shooting range. All other ammo must be registered with the government.

      As for long guns, are you referring to breech and muzzle loading black powder rifles? I agree, they can be purchased without a permit. I find it interesting that that very type of weapon is exactly what the American founders were familiar with when they penned the 2nd amendment.

      •  Not sure which article you mean (2+ / 0-)
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        I didn't see a link in your comment and you link to several in the diary.  But in any case, the Wikipedia link you have notes that ammunition at the range must be used at the range. (Whether everyone does that is another story.)

        But the link also notes that the only regulation on ammunition sales otherwise is that (1) hollow points are only for hunting purposes and (2) the buyer's name must be recorded in a bound book. That is a restriction, true, but it is far from "near total restrictions on the purchase and use of ammunition."

        Those are under the 1999 Gun Act per the Wikipedia article. As it notes, there were some changes in 2008. As for records of sale, I didn't find any change in my cursory research.

        I did find some other types of forbidden ammunition enumerated, though. You can read the 2008 Waffenverordnung's restrictions on ammunition types here: http://www.admin.ch/...

        Final thought: in the US, you also can buy a breechloading black powder weapon without any permit or licensing. You could order one in the mail or online without issue, in fact.

        •  There is a program for subsidized ammo for the (2+ / 0-)
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          licensed shooting ranges, in order to promote marksmanship.

          The ammo purchased under that subsidized program must be used at the range.

          This seems to be the source of confusion.

          income gains to the top 1% from 2009 to 2011 were 121% of all income increases. How did that happen? Incomes to the bottom 99% fell by 0.4%

          by JesseCW on Fri Mar 01, 2013 at 03:31:48 AM PST

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      •  Permits aren't at all hard to get, and you don't (2+ / 0-)
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        have to serve in the militia to get one.  Women and people physically unfit for military service are not excluded from owning firearms.

        "Long Gun" is a term that refer to firearm that is not a handgun.  A wide variety of rifles and shotguns, all too large to easily conceal.

        As far as not needing a permit - in Switzerland this applies to single shot breech loaders as well as muzzle loaders.  However - permits are very easy to get.

        Permits are a formality.  If you are a law abiding citizen with no history of dangerous mental illness, you just apply and you get one.

        You're confusing a government subsidized program providing very cheap ammunition for service weapons at ranges (all unused ammo purchased under this program must be left at the range) with ammunition in general.

        It's perfectly legal to purchase ammunition for a wide range of weapons at gun stores.  Each purchase is recorded by the dealer.  Hollow points are only allowed for hunting, armor piercing and some other exotic bullets are effectively banned.

        The answer to the outright lies of the NRA is not sloppy "reporting" that ignores the facts in favor of promoting an agenda.

        It's the truth.

        income gains to the top 1% from 2009 to 2011 were 121% of all income increases. How did that happen? Incomes to the bottom 99% fell by 0.4%

        by JesseCW on Fri Mar 01, 2013 at 03:28:05 AM PST

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