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  •  Some would, some wouldn't (0+ / 0-)

    About 20-30% of teachers don't even earn half of what they are getting paid now.  That should outrage the vast majority of talented hard-working teachers.  But I rarely hear that.

    •  OK, so cut everyone's pay to that which... (0+ / 0-)

      the lowest "earn", eh?

      That's what some school reformers are trying to do. That's the fear out there. That's the downward trend.

      Unions protect teachers against the downward trend. In order to protect the 70-80%, those you mention are often tolerated.

      Oh, and one more thing. You might be educated, so you could understand this phenom:

      The normal curve that describes most populations.

      Each tail is about 16%, or on the minus side, around the numbers you suggest are failing. Very well. The other tail performing on the plus side is very likely also 16%. The mode and median are somewhere between, of course.

      So IF you eliminate the bottom 16%, the mode and median do what? And what does the top 16% do, given the added work that gives them?

      I agree that the bottom 16% should be "treated", but not by draconian or population-threatening thugs like Michelle Rhee.

      Ugh. --UB.

      "Daddy, every time a bell rings, a Libertaria­n picks up his Pan Am tickets for the Libertaria­n Paradise of East Somalia!"

      by unclebucky on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 05:34:45 AM PST

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      •  Where did you get that idea? (0+ / 0-)

        Instead fire the 20-30% dregs/drudges (many of whom, sadly, are long-timers who probably earn at the higher levels), hire quality replacements, give the top 20-30% performance bonuses every year based on some sane combination of factors (i.e., not just test scores), and raise the base salaries somewhat to attract smart, motivated young teachers.  Because of the $$$, the latter will require considerable political support by the general voting populace.  Believe me, if people start seeing the crappy/lazy teachers on their way out, support will be much easier to achieve.

        •  Right, well, right... (1+ / 0-)
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          That's what you or I would say, get rid of those who do not teach or teach badly. I don't know the cutting off point where teacher in-service is wasted or worth the effort, but yes, get rid of them.

          BUT. These teachers are often voting union members. And the union depends on them for support.

          What wretches like Rhee want to do is to destroy the union by removing unproductive teachers.

          It's a conflict. No question.

          So, watch WHO is the one doing the firing and how that affects the union's decision to support or not support those whom are being fired.

          There is no single analysis.

          --UB.

          "Daddy, every time a bell rings, a Libertaria­n picks up his Pan Am tickets for the Libertaria­n Paradise of East Somalia!"

          by unclebucky on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 09:55:22 AM PST

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          •  Fair enough (1+ / 0-)
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            I wouldn't just leave it to the principals either, as that group have  that same 20% problem--and they often reside in the schools with lots of bad teachers, not surprisingly.

            •  Again, you're right... (1+ / 0-)
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              that principals could also do damage.

              This takes back to unions and the good they do at the expense sometimes of what we want to happen.

              Nothing works perfectly, not even the Curiosity rover.

              :)

              --UB.

              "Daddy, every time a bell rings, a Libertaria­n picks up his Pan Am tickets for the Libertaria­n Paradise of East Somalia!"

              by unclebucky on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 05:06:16 PM PST

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