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  •  Up to 5th Grade (7+ / 0-)

    They start at 9

    6th Grade and up start at 8

    I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
    but I fear we will remain Democrats.

    Who is twigg?

    by twigg on Sat Mar 02, 2013 at 01:42:49 PM PST

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    •  thats kind of backwards (13+ / 0-)

      seems like the middle and high schoolers would need the extra hour of sleep more than the little guys.
      MS and HS start later here because the same bus drivers that do the Elem. schools then go on to do the others.
      It's a major point of job/wage dissatisfaction with the drivers, because it cuts into time on other jobs,  but thats not for this diary I guess. :)

      •  Actually (9+ / 0-)

        it is apropos because Kagro would in fact go on just such a tangent in a funny and interesting way.

        •  Well then, just to get it out there about drivers (5+ / 0-)
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          we have around 300 drivers for 74 ES and
          Around 20 MS and 20 HS
          Top pay for bus drivers is $18,000. They start at $13,000.

          It's necessary to have a second job to survive as a driver but doing three and sometimes four/five routes when someone doesn't show up, which is happening a lot lately, doing that twice a day really puts a cramp in other income opportunities for most of them. One driver that I talk to a lot at my school has been doing it for 20 years and topped out a while back. She also has a full time gig at UPS but she's always late and the only reason they haven't let her go is because she's been there for 26 years and they know her plight.

          With no raises for anyone except administrators in the system offices for the last five years, the work for bus drivers (and the rest of us) has at least doubled, pay has decreased 6.5% due to furlough days and even more due to insurance premium hikes, and to top that off the time to work other jobs to make ends meet has been seriously compromised.
          They're really pissed.
          I'm really pissed.

          A small piece of a lot of misery in public ed these days that's probably reached into every city by now.

      •  That's exactly right! (5+ / 0-)
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        and aside from myself, this is the first time I've ever heard anyone say it.
        It's a biological thing.

        If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

        by CwV on Sat Mar 02, 2013 at 02:07:51 PM PST

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      •  Yeah, exact opposite here (2+ / 0-)
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        and in many schools in MA. And, yes, the bus drivers do all, but it's HS, MS, and then ES.

        I've always wondered if it's due to numbers of busses, actually. We--a city of 45K--have 8ish elementary schools, but one MS and one HS. In other words, by far most of the busses are done after the HS and MS--very few kids need to be bussed to the elementary schools.

        "Maybe: it's a vicious little word that could slay me"--Sara Bareilles

        by ChurchofBruce on Sat Mar 02, 2013 at 03:33:00 PM PST

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      •  Yup, the areas that have switched the (4+ / 0-)

        kids, hs students do much better. The biological issue is that the brain starts figuring out setting the daily circadian rhythm in adolescence. Problem is it uses a 25 hour clock for quite a few years. So they are constantly awake an hour later every evening. Weekends are really bad.

        I actually got my kids to realize how much worse Monday was if they didn't stick to a regular and reasonable bedtime. Most also need a good 9 hours.

        Something I found a few years ago when I was teaching clinicals for LPN and RN. Study showed that when we learn something during the day, the brain rearranges the information that night so it is better remembered. Cramming the night before an exam is not likely to help as much as the self discipline of studying enough for weeks before.

        Can't find it right now, there was also something about aromatherapy I don't remember.

        "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

        by Ginny in CO on Sat Mar 02, 2013 at 04:31:43 PM PST

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