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  •  Good, so I don't think we have a disagreement (0+ / 0-)

    Evangelicals picked up their anti-abortion position from Catholics, not from the Bible, because the Bible doesn't say anything against abortion, as right-wing Protestants who believe in present-day revelation admit.

    I agree that a big part of the Christian Right coming together was evangelicals getting over their loathing of Catholics. (Both evangelicalism and Roman Catholicism are totally alien to me, by the way: I was raised Russian Orthodox and am now a nonbeliever who thinks of Lutheranism when he wants to see Christianity in a positive light.)

    American exceptionalism is America's road to perdition.

    by Alexandre on Sun Mar 03, 2013 at 08:26:30 PM PST

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    •  Um, 98% of Catholic women USE birth control. (0+ / 0-)

      And they have abortions in the sme proportion as their numbers in the nation.  WHen you say "Catholics" I hope you're referring to the hierarchy rather than the Caytholics in the pews--because at least half the American Catholics (the female half) disagree violently iwth the bishops and the Pope. ANd Bill DOnahoe of the Catholic League is looking old and fragile and I think most of his followers are about his age.   I am 63, and msoyt women myu age don't buy into the bishops--nor do younger women. I think Bill D. speaks for the bishops and old white men, not for MPST Catholics.

      I also have the joy (!) of living in the Outh surrounded by fundies--and they still hate Catholics.  They let the bishops runt he lawsuit because the SBC, largest denom here, isn't like the RC Church.  Each church is an independent organization within the convention.  Pretty expensive for a church that has 200members to try to sue the government. There were a lot of pedohilia cases down her in the 70s--but you could only sue the particualt church, which means no huge sums--got virtually no publicity but local TV.

      Depends ont he Lutheranism.  Yhe Missouri Synod is as bad as the SBC--just as anti-woman, just as right-wing. Maybe you need to learn mroe about the churches before you leap into discussions when you don't know much.   And also, remeber the AMerican RC church bishops reflect the Vatican--but msot Catholics bloody well ignroe them on lots of shit, and most support gay marriage, , birth control, abortion, and a lot of things the Vatican rails against.

      The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

      by irishwitch on Sun Mar 03, 2013 at 09:43:30 PM PST

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      •  Sorry for my imprecise language (1+ / 0-)
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        Yes, I meant the RCC hierarchy. I usually say "hierarchy" in such discussions, but regrettably slipped on this occasion.

        I am not surprised to hear that fundies still hate Catholics. I have seen many times evangelicals write on the Internet about Catholics distinguishing them from "Christians". To someone raised Eastern Orthodox, that is totally bizarre.

        I was horrified to learn of the Missouri Synod. It is utterly un-Lutheran and un-German in my view, and I agree that it is just as bad as the SBC. I went to a Missouri Synod service once out of curiosity: I could not detect any joyfulness or Christian spirit there at all: and I could find those in a local evangelical/nondenominational church in the area whose worship I attended a couple of times, also out of curiosity.

        So when I say Lutheranism, I mean ELCA, which is about as liberal as the American Episcopal church, with which it is in communion. :-) Needless to say, the Lutheran and the Anglican churches are the branches of Protestantism closest to Catholicism. :-)

        Christian fundamentalism is a very weird, home-grown American invention, like Mormonism and Scientology.

        American exceptionalism is America's road to perdition.

        by Alexandre on Sun Mar 03, 2013 at 10:10:06 PM PST

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