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  •  There could be a lot more to this. (0+ / 0-)

    Accusations and misunderstandings from both sides. And I haven't read everything here yet.

    Yes, we need to see the Complaint and the Answer - just for starters.

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    by dov12348 on Fri Mar 01, 2013 at 04:57:24 PM PST

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    •  You know, dov... (5+ / 0-)

      ...it strikes me that you are frequently defending the people who mistreat transfolk.  Why is that?

      •  Really? I've said words of support... (0+ / 0-)

        ...to you in your diaries.

        The other thing though is that you must know that I often challenge the general thinking around here on lots of topics - we all learn that way - including me.

        And here - we should stay on the specific issue - there are differences in most cases...hard to generalize.

        My main point:  If I was an anti-Moonie would I try and get into a Moonie school? And then sue them if I get expelled because my beliefs came clear later?

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        by dov12348 on Fri Mar 01, 2013 at 05:11:31 PM PST

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        •  CBU does not have any policy about... (4+ / 0-)

          ...transgender students.  The have nothing that disallows transpeople attending.  You's think if that was such a major part of their theology, they's tell somebody about it.

        •  so you want a cookie or something? (4+ / 0-)

          There is nothing to indicate she is or was in any way anti-baptist, but in fact had been through religious schools her entire education and wished to continue in a religious environment rather than a public one.  She was not expelled for doing anything wrong - she was pants policed in violation of California state law.

          And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

          by Mortifyd on Fri Mar 01, 2013 at 06:12:17 PM PST

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          •  She is not necessarily anti-Baptist. (0+ / 0-)

            Her actions could be, according to them.

            And in this country or any, last I looked, you can't just force yourself into any private club because that's your "wish."

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            by dov12348 on Sat Mar 02, 2013 at 01:58:48 AM PST

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            •  you really like to double down, don't you? (1+ / 0-)
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              It's been pointed out several times that not ALL baptists are in fact anti-trans.  This particular school seems to be - but how would she have known that given the complete lack of any school statement on gender identity?

              She is a religious young woman who wanted to continue her education in a religious environment. There was no indication that she was not permitted to be herself.  

              And your insistence that she is somehow trying to force herself into a private club without any stated rules to exclude her being there is just conjecture and frankly not very nice.

              She had a choice of schools, she chose the one she felt would best suit her needs and goals.  She no doubt toured the facilities, signed up for classes - it wasn't until someone pants policed her that she was unwelcome.

              There is nothing inherently deceitful or naive about that, nor any "wish" other than to be a normal person - because she IS a normal person.

              And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

              by Mortifyd on Sat Mar 02, 2013 at 02:50:57 AM PST

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              •  She didn't know... (0+ / 0-)

                ...she wants...she wishes...she chose...

                Not enough to overcome the rights of a private organization to practice their beliefs in peace.

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                by dov12348 on Sat Mar 02, 2013 at 06:56:20 AM PST

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                •  why does anyone choose a school? (1+ / 0-)
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                  Because it meets their needs and goals.

                  You keep acting like this woman just up and decided one day to fuck with people.  She has been educated as a female since the age of 13 in religious schools.  Her whole identity is female.  She didn't have a normal male puberty.

                  What is wrong with you?

                  And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

                  by Mortifyd on Sat Mar 02, 2013 at 01:16:59 PM PST

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              •  Just because you would love to... (0+ / 0-)

                ...camp out in your neighbor's yard from time to time because they have lovely trees doesn't mean they should have to let you do it.

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                by dov12348 on Sat Mar 02, 2013 at 07:29:50 AM PST

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                •  WTF? that doesn't even make sense. (1+ / 0-)
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                  A yard is not a school.  A park is not a school.  She went for education, not to gatecrash.

                  And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

                  by Mortifyd on Sat Mar 02, 2013 at 01:17:49 PM PST

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                  •  You sue a private club... (0+ / 0-)

                    ...to force them to take you is not gate crashing?

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                    by dov12348 on Sat Mar 02, 2013 at 05:16:42 PM PST

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                    •  She applied and was accepted. (1+ / 0-)
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                      Then she was expelled.  She is now suing for money for damages to her career, not to get back into the school.

                      Where are you coming from?

                    •  she's not suing for readmittance (0+ / 0-)

                      She's suing because they expelled her for no valid reason.  She's been educated and lived as a female since she was 13 - a CHILD.  She no doubt has documents that show her gender is female.  

                      She didn't do anything wrong.

                      Why are you so worried about what is or isn't in her panties?  What is it to you that has you so determined to victim blame her for being a woman?

                      What are you scared of exactly that you need to keep doubling down on this?

                      And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

                      by Mortifyd on Sat Mar 02, 2013 at 05:40:40 PM PST

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                      •  Holy shit -you need to get yourself under control. (0+ / 0-)

                        Bye.

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                        by dov12348 on Sat Mar 02, 2013 at 05:51:06 PM PST

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                        •  No, dov. (1+ / 0-)
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                          It's you.

                        •  I need to get myself under control???? (1+ / 0-)
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                          Look in a mirror pal.

                          You have repeatedly doubled down and victim blamed a young woman for daring to be a young woman for reasons you won't address.  

                          You bet your ass I will call you out on it.  We are not freaks, we are not monsters, we are human beings.  We do not deserve to be treated like that by institutions or individuals like yourself - and we don't have to give you a pass on it because you're a Kossack.

                          And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

                          by Mortifyd on Sat Mar 02, 2013 at 05:54:28 PM PST

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