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  •  So the city... (2+ / 0-)
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    ...has to keep sending, say, $10k in services per year to people who pay $4k in taxes?

    (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
    Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

    by Sparhawk on Fri Mar 01, 2013 at 03:18:14 PM PST

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    •  Did you happen to see ShoshannaD's comment? (1+ / 0-)
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      There are also allegations that the state actually owes the city money.

      And your suggestion is what?  Letting the people who can't afford to live in those areas become homeless?

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        And your suggestion is what?  Letting the people who can't afford to live in those areas become homeless?
        I am always opposed to endless, open-ended subsidies. Everyone else in the city has to pay taxes that cover the cost of services. Why not these people also?

        (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
        Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

        by Sparhawk on Fri Mar 01, 2013 at 05:24:51 PM PST

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        •  So you would rather (2+ / 0-)
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          let people starve and die in the street then let the government provide them with services so that that doesn't happen.  How compassionate of you.

          •  That's the Libertarian way! (3+ / 0-)

            You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

            by Throw The Bums Out on Sat Mar 02, 2013 at 03:50:47 PM PST

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            •  Exactly. (1+ / 0-)
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              The ideal, utopian Libertarian world that most Libertarians I've met have described is either a lie or a complete disconnect from reality.

              They would have us believe, for example, that in the world they desire, instead of people's money being "taken" by the government, against their will, to pay for services for people who cannot provide for themselves, everything would be fine and dandy if we just let private charities do all that.

              The reality is that charities can only do so much, based on how much they take in.  Surely all the people now who blame poor people for being poor and for bringing it on themselves wouldn't change their tune suddenly, and be willing to donate money to a charity.  And some libertarians wouldn't either.

              The reality of the libertarian utopia in the case of social services is that it would lead to the poor and homeless starving and dying in the streets because charities lacked the funding to provide adequate care.

              However, most libertarians won't acknowledge this.  I'm not sure if this is because they're lying to themselves, or to other people.

              •  The ones who are lying to themselves (0+ / 0-)

                ...are those who believe that unsustainable situations can continue to exist for a long period of time.

                The city of Detroit cannot manage its own affairs. It is uneconomical to continue to service these areas. You criticize "libertarians", but does economic serviceability even enter your thoughts? Is it right that people in that depressed city continue to endlessly subsidize other people?

                (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
                Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

                by Sparhawk on Sun Mar 03, 2013 at 09:25:29 AM PST

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                •  I just don't understand how (0+ / 0-)

                  that makes it any more right to say that those people shouldn't be allowed to have any say in their own situation.  Would you advocate that at a state level too?  Should the feds take over Mississippi, since they're dead last at everything, but keep electing the people who helped make that possible?

                  Besides, it seems to me that sending in an emergency manager answerable only to the governor is exactly the kind of tyranny that libertarians complain about.

                  Oh, right, it's only "tyranny" when it's done at the federal level.

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