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  •  Not according to my vet! (1+ / 0-)
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    NonnyO

    She was scandalized at the idea of feeding raw food - all the health-danger potential for e. coli . . . thought it was only a gimmick for pet food stores.

    This outfit actually ships around the country via FedEx, at least for those better off than I am!

    •  Does your vet know... (1+ / 0-)
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      Creosote

      ... or remember, on a conscious level, that felines eat raw meat in the wild?  ;-)

      As long as any raw meat you feed your kitties has been handled properly, there should not be a problem with raw meat.  Or cooked meat that you obtain raw and make sure it's been cooked to a proper temp to kill any e. coli.  The only thing necessary to worry about then are sharp bones that can come with cooked meat that has not been de-boned.

      I must admit, however, that I'd be less enthusiastic about beef.  The last three times I ate beef was in 1992, and it was fresh from the store and I was sick within 20 minutes of eating it (and I don't like meat under-cooked, so any meat I cook is always cooked through and through - over-cooked, according to my mother when she was alive).  After the initial diarrhea and vomiting, I got the three-day migraine I now know is connected to food allergies.  [I thought the first episode was a fluke.  By the second time a week or so later I was suspicious about something, and then the third time I knew something was wrong with the meat itself, because I checked everything like expiration dates and color and smell and it was all fresh meat.]  Anyway, I quit eating beef at that point.

      It was a year or two later when I found out about the medicines in the charred bones that cows get in feeder lots.  Yes, someone burns the bones - of even diseased cattle with mad cow disease!!! - grinds it up, and mixes it with something else and feeds it to the cows.  Cows are not carnivores, they're herbivores, so all that ash from ground up cow bones is totally unnatural for them.  I have no idea what all the medicines are, but I know of at least antibiotics.  In other words, beef from cows who have been in feeder lots is probably not good for humans or other animals.

      I suspect I could probably (maybe) eat fresh beef from farm-raised, free-range, grass and grain-fed cows who have never been near a feeder lot, but I'm only one person and don't have money or freezer space for much beef to test my theory.

      Chicken and turkey now also have an "off" flavor and I know they come from factory farms where they also get medicines and such with their feed, so I rarely eat either one for the last three or four years.  I can eat pork, but sometimes I wonder about that when it tastes odd..., or else I'm just bored with the flavor.

      I never eat meat that isn't cooked all the way through (like I said, over-done, according to my mother), and that's specifically because I know the heat will kill nasty germs if it's fried long enough (or in the oven long enough - until it falls off the bones).

      While your vet is concerned and caring enough to warn about e. coli, as long as you cook meat properly for you and your feline(s), there really shouldn't be a problem with it.  [I rather suspect you've been doing that all along.  You're a caring person who would never put your pets in any danger - and you have to stay healthy so you can keep your pets healthy and cared for....]

      :-)

      I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

      by NonnyO on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 04:58:58 AM PDT

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      •  Thanks for the backgrounding, NonnyO (0+ / 0-)

        The company that makes frozen chicken and turkey for cats does not do this with beef - seems to not set well with cats either.

        I didn't know about the feedlot stuff - feeding burnt bones is a recipe for disaster since Mad Cow prions are completely unaffected by that. Hard to know what to say to this small-minded wilfully dim sort of "economic savings." We are in a new age of fraudulent and essentially imitation and unknown "food products" I guess!

        I'm fortunate here to have a front-rank co-op that actively researches the sources of all the foods they sell, including their meats and fish, the majority of which are organic. I have had no interest in big-market meat for decades: at some point it seemed to have no particular taste at all!

        Interestingly, my co-op is now selling eggs from chickens raised on organic, non-GM feed. They cost $6.99 a dozen, but actually taste like eggs did in the 1950s.

        If I could eat more grains I would; for me they seem to set me up in a carbohydrate spiral with fatigue and constant hunger.

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