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  •  They were actually factions of the same gang. (5+ / 0-)

    Gangster Disciples.

    That's why I'm suspicious this was a "turf war" between gangs -- it used to be one "turf," but the gang itself is breaking into warring factions.

    And, you know, with gangs breaking into factions, the turfs change all the time, whether or not the schools do.

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...

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    by Bush Bites on Sat Mar 02, 2013 at 08:03:49 AM PST

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    •  Very true about factions (2+ / 0-)
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      At one school closings public meeting I attended, the alderman (who had grown up in the Cabrini housing project), spoke of serious problems when two factions of the Stones were pushed together in a school consolidation.

      "Don't believe everything you think."

      by BobboSphere on Sat Mar 02, 2013 at 08:07:30 AM PST

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      •  But the factions aren't static. (2+ / 0-)
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        They're breaking up and forming all the time and they don't necessarily stay within their assigned areas so, while the school closing probably add additional uncertainty to the situation, they aren't the only reason for the gang warfare.

        The other reason is that gangs that shared turf for years are fighting each other now regardless of where the schools are located.

        I can't find anything that says Pendleton's murder was due to a turf war, other than the fact that the park belonged to the 4-6 Terror gang and the shooters drove to the park specifically to hit that gang.

        http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...

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        by Bush Bites on Sat Mar 02, 2013 at 08:19:47 AM PST

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        •  Hadiya Pendelton's death (1+ / 0-)
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          The account of her death that I heard was was related verbally in a meeting by one of the community activists in the area. The individual is a person that I trust. I'm hoping that at some point a journalist with resources and time will delve into that history and publish it.

          There is a lot of chaos on the streets now as smaller groups vie with one another in the constantly shifting relationships that you talk about. That's why I think closing schools now will only make the situation worse.

          "Don't believe everything you think."

          by BobboSphere on Sat Mar 02, 2013 at 10:47:33 AM PST

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            Have you written up an in depth account of Ms. Pendleton's slaying?  I'd like to read it.  The case data is very thin right now; most of the stories are read are official, community or media reactions.

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            by Patrick Costighan on Sat Mar 02, 2013 at 01:14:51 PM PST

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            •  No, I haven't. (1+ / 0-)
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              I'm not an investigative reporter with the skills and resources to do that. But I think it should be done. I was talking to a freelance journalist who writes for the alternative press. He was at the same meeting and also thought the story we heard  should be told.

              But it needs to be told within the context of the racialized class war that is going on the city where poverty is being intensified by privatization, unionbusting and disinvestment.

              I've come to the conclusion that for some in the Chicago elite, gangs are seen as a solution not a problem. They destabilize communities and hinder efforts to unify working class people to deal with the issues of poverty and racism.

              "Don't believe everything you think."

              by BobboSphere on Sat Mar 02, 2013 at 08:52:45 PM PST

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