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  •  I think deep believers have a different... (2+ / 0-)
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    Visceral, Dave in Northridge

    Understanding of free will than non-fundies and nonbelievers do. Essentially, their free will is, "free to choose what God wants, or free to choose the fires of hell."

    Walesa is probably exercising this type of free will; too bad it boils down to a Hobson's choice. "You can choose to do your chores, Timmy, or you can choose to get a spanking."

    Real Democrats don't abandon the middle class. --John Kerry

    by Lucy Montrose on Sun Mar 03, 2013 at 08:39:32 AM PST

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    •  it gets even worse than that (6+ / 0-)

      There are some who believe that free will can only lead people to choose damnation because human beings are "fallen" and "totally depraved", and given the choice will choose the pleasures of sin every time.  The role of the Church - the few who are moved by God to follow him "willingly" - and the government it must control is to prevent people from sinning.

      At the same time, others believe that free will can only lead people to choose total submission to God, while everyone else is so blinded by hatred of God that they are not really choosing anything: simply charging away from God driven by pure emotion.

    •  I enjoy a deep spiritual life... (4+ / 0-)

      and reconcile that with my policy beliefs thus: Jesus was the penultimate liberal. He was very left of centre. If I am to, in my own, pitifully small way, emulate His life, I must keep to His outlook, which is that God's love is for all to enjoy, not just the elect.

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