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  •  You might want to read Andrew Sullivan.... (11+ / 0-)

    ... on that topic.

    HuffPo has a summary of it here, with links to Sullivan's columns on the issue:  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

    Following the announcement that Benedict will not go into hidden retirement but will instead continue living in the Vatican with trusted secretary Archbishop Georg Gaenswein, The Dish's Andrew Sullivan penned a post titled, "Two Popes, One Secretary," in which he speculates that "something truly weird going on."

    The 56-year-old Gaenswein, dubbed "Gorgeous Georg" by the Italian media, was recently featured on the cover of Italian Vogue, according to the New York Daily News. Vanity Fair, which did not interview the archbishop for the article, titled its piece: "Father Georg - It's not a sin to be beautiful."

    "So Benedict’s handsome male companion will continue to live with him, while working for the other Pope during the day," Sullivan writes. "Are we supposed to think that’s, well, a normal arrangement?"

    Clearly, Sullivan does not.

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    by MJB on Sun Mar 03, 2013 at 03:34:03 PM PST

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    •  A lot of piling on going on, (4+ / 0-)

      justifiably so, IMO.  I read about Gorgeous Georg before the news about O'Brien and wondered when/if rumors about the Pope would become an issue.

      When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

      by msmacgyver on Sun Mar 03, 2013 at 04:30:32 PM PST

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      •  Vatican = "Melrose Place" -- Sullivan (1+ / 0-)
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        Some more links:
        http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/...  Andrew Sullivan, Feb 2013
        http://www.nydailynews.com/...  Jan 2013
        http://www.lrb.co.uk/... (2010), Colm Tóibín review of The Pope Is Not Gay by Angelo Quattrocchi

        •  So much over-think (1+ / 0-)
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          http://www.lrb.co.uk/...

          Some of the reasons why gay men became priests are obvious and simple; others are not. Becoming a priest, first of all, seemed to solve the problem of not wanting others to know that you were queer. As a priest, you could be celibate, or unmarried, and everyone would understand the reasons. It was because you had a vocation; you had been called by God, had been specially chosen by him. For other boys, the idea of never having sex with a woman was something they could not even entertain. For you, such sex was problematic; thus you had no blueprint for an easy future. The prospect, on the other hand, of making a vow in holiness never to have sex with a woman offered you relief. The idea that you might want to have sex with men, that you might be ‘that way inclined’, as they used to say, was not even mentioned, not once, during that workshop in which everything under the sun was discussed.

          That you were gay was something you managed to know about yourself and not know at the same time. I am almost certain, for example, that when I was warned by a priest at school that a boy who had parted his hair in the middle had by this act given a sign that he was homosexual (the only time the term was mentioned in those years), the priest himself had no clear and open idea that he himself liked teenage boys. (He would spend time in jail more than 20 years later for abusing teenage boys.) He would have had a way, learned for good reasons in adolescence, of keeping some of his actions and desires secret from himself. His sense of power and entitlement would also have meant that such crimes as he committed would most likely not see the light of day. The priesthood had, as far as he was concerned, solved his problems for him.

          When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

          by msmacgyver on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 06:59:23 AM PST

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