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  •  Raw Milk (5+ / 0-)

    I think it should be legal but I do think one of the reasons producers like it is because most regs don't require the amount of cleanliness as a true dairy.

    I have been milking goats and making my own cheese and yogurt and drinking raw milk for over 20 years.

    However I HAVE got sick from drinking other peoples raw milk before. Never deathly ill but cramps, the runs, etc.

    I've never got sick from MY raw milk but I'm probably immune to anything that's in it.

    I think that selling raw milk is OK as long as you have a caveat on there that you can get sick from drinking it. Although most people who get food borne illness unless it requires hospitalization will not make the connection and just think they have a stomach bug.

    Friends of mine had to stop selling when they sold some to their UPS man and he got sick and turned them in. (illegal in my state to sell)

    It's significant that in many primitive countries that consuming the milk boiled is the way. Only here where we can really ramp up the cleanliness can raw milk be safe.

    Also remember that one of the most common bacteria in raw milk is camphlobacter and getting it DOES give you a chance of getting Gullian Barre.

    •  Why The Double-standard? (4+ / 0-)
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      MusicFarmer, Mi Corazon, RonV, Chi

      American milk is banned in Europe because it has been linked to increased rates of cancer. I'd call that a health risk, wouldn't you? A 2007 USDA Dairy Survey estimated rBGH use at 15.2% of operations and 17.2% of cows. The survey noted that rBGH use increases as herd size increases: 9.1% of small operations use the hormone, whereas 42.7% of large operations use it. Possibly 17% of the milk in the country is oozing from swollen, infected cow udders and giving people cancer, but a salt-of-the-earth farmer who milks his own cows is somehow culpable of wrongdoing?

      Get the fuck out of town.

      My family's milk has never been responsible for anyone's illness. Maybe your friend was an amateur. I assure you, my Uncle is not.

      •  statistically extremely unlikely (1+ / 0-)
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        DrFood
        My family's milk has never been responsible for anyone's illness.
        What makes the milk magic after it leaves the farm?

        Even if the producer is beyond reproach, there are transport and storage issues.

        •  That's A Laughable Conclusion (1+ / 0-)
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          Chi

          Why would their costumer base continue to grow despite the fact that they are prohibited from advertising their product, shipping their product, or even servicing their product. Clearly, they must be doing something right. You know, they started with one cow? Now they have 20 to 30. Statistically? What the fuck do you know about statistics? Did you run the numbers, buddy? Did you walk up and down Devon Avenue and exercise some of your journalistic authority?

          No, you didn't.

          •  Chill. (1+ / 0-)
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            LilithGardener

            Look, I'm (mostly) on your side, but you can't be sure that your family members' raw milk never has any "bad" bacteria.  Their milk could actually contain enough of a particular pathogenic strain to make someone sick who has never had their milk before, without making themselves or their regular customers sick.

            The immune system can work like that.  

            Universal Health Care - it's coming, but not soon enough!

            by DrFood on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 06:12:40 PM PST

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          •  Why? (0+ / 0-)
            Why would their costumer base continue to grow despite the fact that they are prohibited from advertising their product, shipping their product, or even servicing their product. Clearly, they must be doing something right
            Why do people think live saving vaccienes are dangerous?

            Why do people take vitamins and supplements that have been scientifically proven to not be effective.

            Americans have always been suspcious of the government and somewhat prone to magical thinking.

      •  Have your parents ever used vinegar? (0+ / 0-)

        There is an old remedy called "honeygar", which is 2 teaspoons of cider vinegar and two of honey" (organic and local is best) that helps with a host of modern maladies like arthritis, tendinitis, and even digestive issues.
        I read about it years ago in a book called "Arthritis and Folk Medicine" by D.C. Jarvis, M.D. He had patients who were hale and hearty and the common denominator was the honeygar. So he studied it. His book is still in print and you can find it on Amazon.
        Anyway, long story short is that one of the things I remember from the book is his story about a local dairy farmer. Jarvis wanted to experiment on a cow and they farmer had one with mastitis, so he let him experiment on that one. The mastitis cleared up and the cow began giving more milk than all the other cows.
        I'm telling this from memory, but it might be worth getting a copy for your folks. Seems the cows really like the cider vinegar (don't think they need the honey).
        :)

        Isn’t it ironic to think that man might determine his own future by something so seemingly trivial as the choice of an insect spray. ~ Rachel Carson, Silent Spring ~

        by MA Liberal on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 02:12:39 PM PST

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      •  But you still haven't answered (0+ / 0-)

        why that problem isn't remedied by simply, say, not using RGBH?

        Are you seriously implying that simply changing the temperature of milk in and of itself is enough to pose a significantly increased cancer risk?  Because that's what it sounds like you're saying.

        I'm sorry, I'm not trying to attack you.  I just think it seems like a leap to go from pasteurized milk with RGBH to completely untreated milk.  I don't see why the latter is the only humane and healthy alternative.

      •  I hear you (0+ / 0-)
        My family's milk has never been responsible for anyone's illness. Maybe your friend was an amateur. I assure you, my Uncle is not.
        All I can say is  I'm glad it hasn't and I hope it stays that way.

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