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  •  Here's a Mother Jones article (4+ / 0-)

    Is Raw Milk Really Good for You?

    The author of the article, a senior editor at MJ, has stopped buying raw milk.

    "Stupid just can't keep its mouth shut." -- SweetAuntFanny's grandmother.

    by Dbug on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 04:44:29 PM PST

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    •  Do you know where E.Coli comes from? (0+ / 0-)


      Do you know where shit comes from?


      That would make it a sanitation issue, no?

      If you ask me, that article hinges entirely on hyperbole. Do you know how many foodborne illnesses there are per year in The United States? 47.8 million.

      Have you ever seen Amish folk? Those people could pound you into the ground by looking at you. Did you know they live longer than the rest of us? Yeah, it turns they exhibit lower rates of cancer. They also drink raw milk . . . for their entire long lives. They fuck like rabbits, they have dramatically lower rates of cancer and they live longer.

      I'm going to listen to those guys.

      You and Kiera Butler are spineless Chicken Littles.

      •  Look at history. (2+ / 0-)

        There was a reason that state health departments convinced milk producers to pasteurize that milk.

        That reason was tuberculosis: milk was the last major primary vector.

      •  You go your way and I'll go mine (0+ / 0-)

        Yes, I know where e. coli comes from. It comes from shit.

        That's why I don't buy hamburger sold in five-pound "chubs" (which is what they call them in my local grocery store) mass produced from some factory three states away. I buy hamburger ground from one cow at a time from my local butcher who doesn't mix shit in.

        And I don't even eat hamburger very often.

        I drink pasteurized milk because I don't want to risk getting e. coli, listeria, AIDS, legionnaire's disease, or a whole host of other things. Plus, it costs less than raw milk. Why should I pay extra for milk that might make me sick? I usually buy whole milk (which has a higher fat content, but it tastes good). My sister thinks I'm crazy -- she buys only skim milk.

        It's all about making choices.

        But, God Damn, man! You're shouting at me and sounding like a crazy zealot. Like a Christian telling me that Jesus is the answer. Or like those anti-vaccination nuts. Or the people who deny climate change. Do you think that yelling at me and calling me a spineless chicken little (because you think you know the truth) will cause me to change my mind? Is that the best debate technique?

        Don't shout at me. Show me the facts.

        In the mean time, I'll live my life the way I think makes sense. And you can do the same. But I guarantee that shouting at me won't convert me to your religion.

        I have no hard feelings toward you. Take care.

        P.S. I was just joking about getting AIDS from raw milk. The odds of that are really small.

        "Stupid just can't keep its mouth shut." -- SweetAuntFanny's grandmother.

        by Dbug on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 10:11:50 PM PST

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        •  That's Fair (1+ / 0-)
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          The fact is that a lot of people have been shouting at me, and this whole astroturf gauntlet has stressed me out quite a bit. Unlike many of people who are adding commentary to this thread, I'm invested in this on a personal level. If that legislation passes, I'm the one who has to see the crestfallen faces of my younger cousins.

          •  Well, good luck (1+ / 0-)
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            Good luck with the legislation. Or the rule-making.

            I think it's good for the government to make rules about food safety.

            But I can understand your point of view.

            "Stupid just can't keep its mouth shut." -- SweetAuntFanny's grandmother.

            by Dbug on Tue Mar 05, 2013 at 12:02:16 AM PST

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