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  •  cow's milk is not a "health food" (1+ / 0-)
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    Cow's milk was never designed for humans. It happens to be a good source of protein and calcium and that's about it. Raw or pasteurized, many adults cannot tolerate it because they cannot tolerate lactose. Neither raw milk nor pasteurized milk helps the immune system--any bovine antibodies in raw milk which make it through the stomach acids unscathed are not usable by humans. And unmodified cow milk protein can also cause problems in the very young.

    Raw milk from the best of dairies can be contaminated by harmful bacteria--these diseases are nothing to dismiss lightly. If you want to drink raw milk you may as well get your drinking water out of the local river. Neither is safe.

    For those who have a good supply of lactase in their guts, milk can be a good supplemental food. But cow's milk has no magic immune properties and when consumed raw it is simply a public health hazard.

    •  Your Ancestors . . . (0+ / 0-)

      Likely consumed large amounts of milk for millenia. To suggest that it's not designed for humans is postmodern drivel.

      We've evolved to adapt, and one of the things human beings have adapted to is milk. Raw milk just happens to be the best variety of it. Also, raw milk has nothing in common with unfiltered drinking water. First of all, raw milk contains antiseptic properties. Your average waterway has been destroyed by industrialization. Second, cows on raw milk farms are healthier than cows from dairies modeled upon industrialized agriculture, and it actually raw milk actually does contain anti-viral, anti-carcinogenic, immune-boosting properties. If you had paid attention to any of the previous commentary, you would have already known that, and besides, nothing you've written is anything more than the lowest form of disinformation. You don't even have the attention-span to conduct your own research. You certainly don't cite any sources.

      Were you fed formula when you were an infant? It sounds like you could use some raw milk.

      •  antiseptic qualities? (1+ / 0-)
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        From my experience, any water based food full of sugar, fat and protein is a delight to bacteria.

        Can you explain to me how I am wrong?

        Hogs...communists; think about it.

        by Elvis meets Nixon on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 09:59:23 PM PST

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      •  response to jm (0+ / 0-)

        Your vitriolic response is uncalled for.

        •  my response was to johnnymonicker (0+ / 0-)

          Elvis--I agree with you. And my response about vitriol is for johnnymonicker.

        •  My only regret is that the comment requires . . . (0+ / 0-)

          a bit of editing, but I wouldn't delete the words, "postmodern," "drivel," "disinformation," and "formula."

          •  and you think those... (0+ / 0-)

            ...words strengthen your argument or make it easier to convince others of your positions??

            We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

            by delver rootnose on Tue Mar 05, 2013 at 02:04:05 AM PST

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            •  Unfortunately, I'm not always . . . (0+ / 0-)

              responding to folks that are making any sort of argument. In fact, about 50 percent of what I've encountered in the comments section of this journal might be considered calumny.

              •  oh BS... (0+ / 0-)

       are ruining your own reputation.

                Let me put it to you this way.  I live in Illinois.  I know some politicians, although they probably don't remember me.  I have contacted them on other issues before.  I am ambivalent about raw milk but generally believe people should be able to do what they want with the caveat that they know what they are getting into and could be convinced to support your positions.  However, your stubborn insistence that there is NO risk in consuming raw milk and that all those who are objecting are just doing it out of a sense of maliciousness or as a shill to agribusiness does not incline me to do as you wish and call my representatives to ask that they loosen restrictions on raw milk.  Quite the contrary you have made me go from apathetic about it to being concerned that people advocating for raw milk are not able to back up claims of safety with rigorous research from independent sources and rely on anecdotes and specious arguments to support your claims.  Thusly you make me feel that there is definite need to regulate the raw milk industry so people who consume it are not duped into thinking it carries no risk.
                So in summary your attitude in the comments ruined an adequate appeal made in your diary.  Your behavior resulted in exactly what you were fighting against.

                We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

                by delver rootnose on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 04:25:06 PM PST

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                •  Incorrect . . . (0+ / 0-)

                  I've maintained on several occasions in the commentary that both pasteurized and raw milk are susceptible to foodborne pathogens. What determines whether the milk is safe or not is a matter of sanitation, and if you have any questions concerning the sanitary requirements of industrialized agriculture, feel welcome to watch the attached video. Now, compare that to this raw milk farm in Wisconsin. Those cows are grass-fed, naturally-born and free-range, and the farmer knows a hell of a lot more about husbandry and farming than some expert in logistics. "How can we squeeze a few more pennies out this guy?" Local farming is also a low-cost, simple solution to global warming. That - by itself - should be a reason to encourage local farming, but instead, The Federal Government has responded by pursuing a draconian campaign to suppress local farmers, people who Thomas Jefferson considered the bedrock of the country. Now, only 3 to 5 percent of the nation's food comes from farmers. The remainder are produced by companies.

                  Also, raw milk is simply better for you. It's nutrient rich and the natural fauna in the milk kills harmful bacteria. I don't see any reason to defend this point. It should be common sense. Did you suck your mother's teet as an infant. My guess is, you did. If you don't believe me, ask a biologist or ask your doctor. Raw milk farms also add to local commerce, and the lack of hormones and antibiotics in the milk reduces the likelihood that the consumer will develop cancer, anxiety and other debilitating ailments.

                  Be as apathetic as you want and remain as uninformed as you want. That just means you prefer the status quo, and if that's the case, I'm unconcerned that your mind remains unchanged. There probably wasn't anything I could say in the first place to change it. In fact, you admitted as such. You felt apathetic about it. So, why the fuck should I care what you think? It seems that you're set in your ways, and it sounds like you just don't give a shit in general.

                •  In Addition . . . (0+ / 0-)

                  Calumnious statements about raw milk are common and widespread.  Here's an excellent article on the topic.

      •  Antiseptic? Really? (0+ / 0-)

        That's why they started requiring pasteurization for health reasons, right?  

      •  well johnny... (0+ / 0-)

        ...I am not against raw mik but to play devils advocate here you state lots about the benifiets of raw milk without any sited research.  And usually a diarist has to prove what they are posting when questioned not the other way around.

        oh and not all research is pro raw milk and it all doesn't come from the dairy industry.

        And politness is nice.

        We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

        by delver rootnose on Tue Mar 05, 2013 at 02:02:54 AM PST

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