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View Diary: The Illinois Department of Public Health vs. Illinois Raw Milk Farmers (267 comments)

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  •  My only regret is that the comment requires . . . (0+ / 0-)

    a bit of editing, but I wouldn't delete the words, "postmodern," "drivel," "disinformation," and "formula."

    •  and you think those... (0+ / 0-)

      ...words strengthen your argument or make it easier to convince others of your positions??

      We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

      by delver rootnose on Tue Mar 05, 2013 at 02:04:05 AM PST

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      •  Unfortunately, I'm not always . . . (0+ / 0-)

        responding to folks that are making any sort of argument. In fact, about 50 percent of what I've encountered in the comments section of this journal might be considered calumny.

        •  oh BS... (0+ / 0-)

 are ruining your own reputation.

          Let me put it to you this way.  I live in Illinois.  I know some politicians, although they probably don't remember me.  I have contacted them on other issues before.  I am ambivalent about raw milk but generally believe people should be able to do what they want with the caveat that they know what they are getting into and could be convinced to support your positions.  However, your stubborn insistence that there is NO risk in consuming raw milk and that all those who are objecting are just doing it out of a sense of maliciousness or as a shill to agribusiness does not incline me to do as you wish and call my representatives to ask that they loosen restrictions on raw milk.  Quite the contrary you have made me go from apathetic about it to being concerned that people advocating for raw milk are not able to back up claims of safety with rigorous research from independent sources and rely on anecdotes and specious arguments to support your claims.  Thusly you make me feel that there is definite need to regulate the raw milk industry so people who consume it are not duped into thinking it carries no risk.
          So in summary your attitude in the comments ruined an adequate appeal made in your diary.  Your behavior resulted in exactly what you were fighting against.

          We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

          by delver rootnose on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 04:25:06 PM PST

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          •  Incorrect . . . (0+ / 0-)

            I've maintained on several occasions in the commentary that both pasteurized and raw milk are susceptible to foodborne pathogens. What determines whether the milk is safe or not is a matter of sanitation, and if you have any questions concerning the sanitary requirements of industrialized agriculture, feel welcome to watch the attached video. Now, compare that to this raw milk farm in Wisconsin. Those cows are grass-fed, naturally-born and free-range, and the farmer knows a hell of a lot more about husbandry and farming than some expert in logistics. "How can we squeeze a few more pennies out this guy?" Local farming is also a low-cost, simple solution to global warming. That - by itself - should be a reason to encourage local farming, but instead, The Federal Government has responded by pursuing a draconian campaign to suppress local farmers, people who Thomas Jefferson considered the bedrock of the country. Now, only 3 to 5 percent of the nation's food comes from farmers. The remainder are produced by companies.

            Also, raw milk is simply better for you. It's nutrient rich and the natural fauna in the milk kills harmful bacteria. I don't see any reason to defend this point. It should be common sense. Did you suck your mother's teet as an infant. My guess is, you did. If you don't believe me, ask a biologist or ask your doctor. Raw milk farms also add to local commerce, and the lack of hormones and antibiotics in the milk reduces the likelihood that the consumer will develop cancer, anxiety and other debilitating ailments.

            Be as apathetic as you want and remain as uninformed as you want. That just means you prefer the status quo, and if that's the case, I'm unconcerned that your mind remains unchanged. There probably wasn't anything I could say in the first place to change it. In fact, you admitted as such. You felt apathetic about it. So, why the fuck should I care what you think? It seems that you're set in your ways, and it sounds like you just don't give a shit in general.

          •  In Addition . . . (0+ / 0-)

            Calumnious statements about raw milk are common and widespread.  Here's an excellent article on the topic.

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