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  •  Or, they could sign up (8+ / 0-)

    the techno-libertarian Ayn Randists.  I think Kos is being a bit glib here, there's an element in the tech world that's not socially or movement conservative, but it's hardly progressive.  Just look at Steve Jobs' labor record, and I say this as an Apple-phile.

    Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

    by Loge on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 09:53:45 AM PST

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    •  Most techie libertarians.... (2+ / 0-)
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      ...are not Ayn Rand true believers.  Some of them (who aren't insomniac enough to actually read her books) tend to equate Ayn Rand and libertarians.  But most of them are more liberaltarians than anything else.

      •  well, if the next few cycles (0+ / 0-)

        see a shift to emphasis on economic rather than social issues, the Republicans could draw from the tech sector more.  There's a parallel to Wall Street's political giving (socially liberal, fiscally conservative), which are tech companies more than anything else.  The major difference is there's more utopian thinking in pure tech, but that can tilt right as well as left, and there's more neocon stuff out of the financial sector.

        Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

        by Loge on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 11:01:27 AM PST

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      •  I Just Think Of Them As Really Compulsive (2+ / 0-)
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        ...and thinking Rush is "funny."

        There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

        by bernardpliers on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 11:19:51 AM PST

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      •  liberaldregs, so tell me what is fair talk about (0+ / 0-)

        libertarians?  Their liberal support for social issues is a trade off?  What price must we pay?

        •  Fair talk is.... (1+ / 0-)
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          ....that "libertarian" is kind of hard to pin down in terms of how they behave.  (Bear with me, I'm advocating a wedge strategy.)

          You have the Ayn Rand crowd, who are basically like dominionist Christians, except that their god is secular (sort of; a lot of public followers of Ayn Rand are in fact religious fundamentalists).

          You have a very large population who are right wingers who claim to be anti-government: this is basically the whole tea party crowd.  The only liberty they favor is the second amendment and the right to commit hate crimes with impunity.

          You have the Goldwater types (this is actually a dying breed) who really believe the government hands-off stuff and are now under huge cross pressure.  (There are relatively few people who think that the government shouldn't regulate private behavior but should also advocate laissez-fair capitalism, because there are just too many contradictions.

          You have the "liberaltarians" I mentioned.  These are people who are solidly liberal on cultural issues (including favoring environmental laws and consumer protection laws), often hostile to big business, but who inherit the libertarian belief that the government is too big and too expensive and its regulations are too burdensome).  You DO trade off with them because it's always a win for us.  (One example involving a co-worker involved a discussion about highways.  He'd gone on a diatribe about how state government wasted his tax money on public works.  When reminded that highways are paid for by taxes, his attitude was "oh, no, I'd definitely pay more taxes for that.")  This is a modestly large voter segment who actually don't vote for Republicans much any more.  Here, we need to point out that liberals are the true advocates of limited government, which doesn't mean "tear it all down" but "do things that work."  Now, having said that, much of this has happened -- the term "liberaltarian" came about because a lot of these people decided that they were really liberals.

          So we're not trading off anything. Just framing progressivism to people who might be inclined to start seeing things our way if it's presented in a way that doesn't threaten their concept of "freedom."

    •  They'd Need To Ditch The Talibornagain Wing (3+ / 0-)
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      Regressive big-government moralism (and, worst, the anti-rationalist worldview underlying it) repels most of the techies who might otherwise be attracted by doctrinare allergy to taxes.

      On the Internet, nobody knows if you're a dog... but everybody knows if you're a jackass.

      by stevemb on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 11:15:10 AM PST

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    •  A perfect example was Harper Reed, Obama CTO (1+ / 0-)
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      Good point. Harper Reed, the colorful Hacker-phile CTO for Obama for America admitted that he was  libertarian type when he was hired and it took him a while to understand the depth of philosophical commitment of Field Director Jeremy Bird & Battleground States Director Mitch Stewart to Obama's cause.

      Reed said it wasn't until it came to crunch time that what was at stake in the election hit him and the others in The Cave (Obama digital operation).

      "What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them." -- Pres. Obama (1/20/2009)

      by zizi on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 01:50:53 PM PST

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