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  •  What for? Do you want the rich to pay what they (3+ / 0-)
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    Clem Yeobright, Ian S, Robobagpiper

    used to 40-50-60 years ago.

    Whats the policy goal, spoil a fine wage insurance plan?

    Create a 14k monthly check for some uber wealthy person who is retired and dont no stinking 14 grand per month.

    Or is it you just want to punish the rich.....and you admit SS is going to be fine thru 2090.

    ...... Social Security blogathon March 25th thru March 29th. #HandsOffmySS FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

    by Roger Fox on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 02:28:58 PM PST

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    •  What? What are you talking about? (6+ / 0-)

      Lifting the cap is NOT the same thing as means testing which is what I'm getting from your rant.

      I get the drift of what you're saying but, quite frankly, this is kinda incoherent. As for "punishing the rich",  it's just an issue of equalizing the system. There's no reason that the income cap should not be raised.  None.

      •  Again, why do you want to lift the cap (4+ / 0-)

        What is the goal?

        Equalizing the system? Have you not heard of capital gains taxes, income taxes?

        TO paraphrase FDR, if we take nothing from capital we owe nothing to capital.

        ...... Social Security blogathon March 25th thru March 29th. #HandsOffmySS FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

        by Roger Fox on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 04:11:57 PM PST

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        •  We need a financial transactions tax... (4+ / 0-)

          before we fiddle with SS and Medicare. That tax would not only raise revenue but would also discourage the kind of financial shenanigans that are detrimental to our economy. It's a two-fer!

          Just another faggity fag socialist fuckstick homosinner!

          by Ian S on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 08:17:26 PM PST

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          •  By the time Congress gets to consider a financial (0+ / 0-)

            transactions tax (It doesn't count unless it gets past filibuster,and gets hearing and such, no matter what Levin does) we should know something about how the newly enacted Euro financial transactions tax is working, the one they literally just put in. So far, the news is that since there are many markets without one, transactions are shifting from the yes tax to the no tax areas. e.g if GB has such a tax and Hong Kong does not, and both are trading centers, the trades get done through Hong Kong.

            •  Congress isn't going to consider ... (0+ / 0-)

              any new taxes. We're arguing over a moot point. What we need to do is cut "loopholes".

              More specifically, what we need to do is come up with very clever ways that we can call raising the tax rate on the rich "closing loopholes". (In fact, this is what Obama did when he raised the marginal rates. The higher marginal rates actually kick in at $300,000; it's just that the first $150,000 are called "phase-out of personal exemptions.)

    •  But Roger! BRIGHT SHINY OBJECT!!!! (2+ / 0-)
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      worldlotus, Robobagpiper

      I see MONEY over there! Let's TAKE it and call it ... I dunno ... how about 'Social Security'?

      You say WHAT? SS is a program of WAGE INSURANCE? Built on a foundation of (a) you pays in, (b) you doesn't die, (c) you gets back? And it's worked for 80 years like that?

      Well ... we can change that, can't we? You're sooooo .... 1930s, sooooo ... FDR!

      Too late for the simple life, too early for android love slaves - Savio

      by Clem Yeobright on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 05:36:01 PM PST

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