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  •  It's like playing whack-a-mole. (0+ / 0-)

    The last diary discussed the Soviet Union as not being a genuinely socialist concept -- but as soon as I moved on, here come the commentators: "oh yeah, socialism.  You mean the Soviet Union!"

    "There's nothing heroic about earning profit." -Odo, from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine

    by Cassiodorus on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 04:44:13 AM PST

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    •  What's the best way to enable people (1+ / 0-)
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      with new ideas to turn them into productive activities?

      Kimball used the USSR as an example of a large bureaucracy that failed to allow the nucleation of new ideas  into the economy. FWIW that happens here with oligarchies and monopolies. Our internet is slow compared to much of the developed world because of local monopolies.

      look for my eSci diary series Thursday evening.

      by FishOutofWater on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 05:55:07 AM PST

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      •  Actual public control of the means of production, (1+ / 0-)
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        as opposed to bureaucratic control by a party with a top-down structure, might be a start.  You want to enable new ideas through genuine socialism?  Discuss them in meeting and lay out a prospective timeline for implementation.  If you can persuade the group, you've won.

        "There's nothing heroic about earning profit." -Odo, from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine

        by Cassiodorus on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 06:16:13 AM PST

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        •  Shares must be offered to the workers before IPO (0+ / 0-)

          Before a merger or sale of any company to any private equity company, all shares must be for sale to the employees at a discount.

          Do these two things, and we'll have Twinkees forever.

          Everyone is innocent of some crime.

          by The Geogre on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 07:39:24 AM PST

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      •  Co-operative production and distribution. (1+ / 0-)
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        I brought up the USSR to highlight the problem with conceiving workable alternatives to corporate rule, and to show what pitfalls we have to avoid. I want to apologize for not making it plain why I was bringing up the USSR yet again.

        Of course I don't think the USSR is the only possible alternative to Mitt Romney and the Koch Brothers.

        What I would advocate is co-operative ownership of production and retail distribution.

        A co-op could be run by a board of directors elected by the workers, sometimes combined with representation of customers or users, and perhaps also of a minority that could be elected by shareholders.

        Credit unions, already a familiar institution, could replace banks.

        But let us be clear on one thing. Co-ops will not just gradually spread until they replace corporate owned production. The struggle against the bourgeosie is a political struggle. There must be a progressive government to foster the growth of the co-ops, instead of a capitalist government to foster the corporations.

        If the history of America has taught us anything, it's this. The government is never neutral.

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        by Kimball Cross on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 09:34:16 AM PST

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