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  •  it was less so in unequal societies (1+ / 0-)
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    where women had less say... and since there is roughly just one woman for each man... a man hogging up too much of the reproductive and intimacy, shared life at the expense of too many other men meant he and his fellow woman collectors had to have some sort of power to keep it that way... a social acceptance, religious, hierarchical, ritual or other excuse or explanation for it. And even then the men doing without a wife or lover would not be happy and women pressed into prostitution or stolen from neighboring tribes or nations to help fill the artificial scarcity did not much like it either...

    Traditional societies were typically relaxed about plural marriages but they still tended strongly to be one man one woman for the most part since that was the most conducive to a stable and content population...

    The economics of it also trended that way too... with just big chiefs/alpha males etc. able to hog up extra women... sometimes with the woman totally buying into it and other times not so much... again depending on how much say women had...some women involuntarily stuck with a rich fat old high status meanies born into it... or some voluntarily collecting around the local stud warrior with earned high status...

    Men hate the women choosing if they are not getting chosen... they would rather  have the power to do the choosing...

    Pogo & Murphy's Law, every time. Also "Trust but verify" - St. Ronnie (hah...)

    by IreGyre on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 06:14:30 AM PST

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    •  Keep in mind, though (0+ / 0-)

      that one-man-plus-many-women, where those women stay with only that man, isn't "natural behavior" for humans either.  No form of exclusivity is.

      •  sure, one at a time when lives are short (0+ / 0-)

        still made for monogamy to be not for life for everyone...

        But one at a time is more socially stable... having 10 or 20 percent of young males with no partners, no families is a recipe for  unrest if not revolution ... worsens the status of women when they become an artificially created scarce commodity controlled by high status men... the only other use for the apparent surplus of single males is as expendable soldiers who may have the option of bringing back a woman from a neighboring tribe or country...

        So natural for human is... serial monogamy in a stable social situation... and that tends to keep it stable.

        Human males also have an urge to have access to more than one woman and having plural wives is an alternate emergency fallback in unstable times (wars can deplete marriageable males) ... But polygyny if it is not just temporary and uniformly accepted will both create instability or the need for social changes to impose, excuse and perpetuate it which makes for a sicker society which can persist in that alternate balance but it has continual inherent problems.

        Pogo & Murphy's Law, every time. Also "Trust but verify" - St. Ronnie (hah...)

        by IreGyre on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 08:54:03 AM PST

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        •  Serial monogamy isn't "natural" either. (0+ / 0-)

          If it were, there would never in the entirety of human history have been such a thing as adultery.

          Also, let's not get unnecessarily gendered about this.  Human females are every bit as likely to want more than one man as human males are to want more than one woman.

          Exclusive partnering is a social construct in humans, not an innate behavior.  It's a code of rules that we've made up because (as you point out) it has social advantages, such as stability.  But humans are always going to want sex with more than just one committed partner, because that is what's natural.

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