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  •  In short, you're making up theory of human nature (0+ / 0-)

    to fit your ideology, and then suggesting all of humankind submit to enslavement in a "stratified" society based on Social Darwinism.

    This is classic:

    a stratification  of social structure based on hierarchical collective effort characterized by elites dictating the aims of production and followers dutifully operationalizing those aims.

    That's not a collective effort. That's a dictatorship. It isn't collective when all decision making is concentrated in the hands of a ruling elite, who are economically supported by a cadre of "followers" whose function is to make life comfortable for the privileged at the top, while sacrificing their own quality of life.

    By the way, this is not anything resembling "liberty" for most people. Most people don't know this, but the term libertarian (tracing back to France in the mid 19th century) was originally used by self described libertarian socialists. Libertarianism originally was used in Europe to describe the philosophy which advocates that society should have freedom from the ruling class, wherein workers would collectively self-manage their own workplaces and communities, free from authoritarian domination of hierarchical control. Libertarianism is supposed to be the opposite of authoritarianism. Thus, capitalism and the so-called "free market" (in which a minority consisting of the wealthy class have domination of property used in production, positioning themselves as the lords and masters at the economic summit of society, peering down at the rest with the power to "employ" everyone else as servants, who in practical terms have little choice but to submit to rulership) has little or nothing to do with liberty and freedom.

    Using the term libertarian to describe Randianism is about as Orwellian as it gets.

    I really don't care what your notions of human nature are, at this point. You're basically one of the Ayn Randian capitalists I oppose with every fiber of my body and mind. When I've gone out into the streets protesting the banking industry and end up getting hammered by the police enforcers, you're part of the establishment I'm railing against. There is no justification for economic slavery of the majority of people under a ruling elite.

    "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

    by ZhenRen on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 03:55:06 PM PST

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    •  You have it precisely backwards... (0+ / 0-)

      My view of human nature drives my philosophy of politics and economics.  

      I believe we will see stratification in ANY system.  The ambitions of greedy people will always represent the core of human conflict.  Narcissistic elites will always present themselves, but capitalism drives greater wealth creation in the process.  And we can attempt as best we can to establish transparent capitalism that aims to restrict unchecked greed by preventing monopolies and working against information imbalances that allow the system to be gamed.  It will never be perfect, but it can be good enough.  In socialism, these elites will rule with impunity.  

      I posted in another thread on this site that I was booted out of my house at 17 after a lifetime of abuse.  My loving mother died at 46 when I was 14.  I dropped out of high school and was pretty much headed for a life of crime.  But my shame drove me to go to junior college and later graduate from honors from the U of TX and go on the get an MBA.  Today I am one of the 2% you hate, but you can't make the argument I had that handed to me.  I think that when you sell the idea that the downtrodden are the prisoners of oligarchs, you kill their spirit, drive division in society, and bring us ALL down in the process....

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