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  •  Ebay? Really? (1+ / 0-)
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    You don't think that by using those words the seller is just someone with the clear intention of making money, and not someone associated with the Occupy movement?

    Now that's a reasonable assumption.

    Those websites sell t-shirts for a freakin' living. T-shirts with ALL kinds of different phrases on them. I expect any phrase that could make money. (unless there's a group of protesters advocating a "Beast Mode" movement)

    Nobody but Scott knew his own true intentions for painting those words on his jacket. He wasn't caught in the act of protesting in the SCOTUS lobby. He wasn't preaching the gospel of Occupy to anyone. He wasn't holding hands with a group of people singing Kumbaya or reciting poetry about days of yore with the Occupy movement.

    Unless you know Mr. Scott or know of him or any of his past exploits, any assertion that his jacket was clearly advocating the Occupy movement is a presumptive extrapolation.  

    "That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history." ~ Aldous Huxley

    by markthshark on Tue Mar 05, 2013 at 11:39:45 AM PST

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    •  Scott's "intentions" are irrelevant (2+ / 0-)
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      the question is, would someone looking at a shirt with the words "Occupy Everything" read those words and associate those words with a "movement" (the words used in the law)?  

      And it's absurd to think that, if you see someone wearing any of those shirts I linked to, you wouldn't think "Occupy movement."  That's WHY people sell them -- because that phrase is associated with the Occupy movement.

      It doesn't matter who makes them.  If I take a white t-shirt and write "Down w/ Prop 8" in a black marker, and wear it to the SCOTUS, it doesn't matter what I "intended" to say, or whether I "intended" that to be a commentary on a particular issue, or whether I intended it to be in support of any particular movement.  Same if I write "Abortion kills" or "Nobama" or anything that's associated with conservative causes or movements.  

      The sole question is whether someone seeing that would think, "Occupy movement."  And clearly they would.  Why do you think people sell all those t-shirts I linked to that say, in various forms, "Occupy everything"?  Because people like the sound of the two words?  No -- it's clearly because people associate that phrase with the Occupy movement.  And that's what makes it in violation of that statute.  

      •  Look, it's clear we're not going to agree on this. (0+ / 0-)

        I just can't see how "Occupy Everything" is any kind of issue.

        Wearing a jacket stating...

        "Down w/ Prop 8"
        ... is advocating for a specific issue: "Marriage Equality."

        Where is the issue when someone is wearing a jacket stating "Occupy Everything?" Even if you do support OWS and wear that jacket you're not explicitly stating your support for the organization itself just by wearing it.

        To me, it'd be similar to wearing a jacket stating "Eat your peas" or "Kiss a Frog" or "I'm too sexy for this cheap, crappy jacket" or whatever. Would I be ostensibly advocating vegetables, amphibians or vanity? That would be a stretch. And who, other than myself, is qualified to make those determinations? Those phrases might just strike my fancy as being humorous or artsy.

        We are rapidly devolving in this country when decisions are made capriciously and arbitrarily about what we're wearing -- especially when that clothing isn't offensive to anyone other than the plutocratic establishment.

        People can make their own decision whether to make a perceived free-association. We don't need authorities to do it for us. That's a form of "censorship."

        Now that's an issue for which I refuse to advocate.

        Hey, how 'bout "Stop censoring me" on a jacket? Would that one that get me eighty-six'd as well?

        Anyway, thanks for the debate. It's been real.

        "That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history." ~ Aldous Huxley

        by markthshark on Tue Mar 05, 2013 at 05:59:30 PM PST

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