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  •  I wouldn't have a problem sharing a (12+ / 0-)

    restroom or locker with any of these people, except maybe if they're underage which could be innapropriate in some cases. Why are bigots offended if a gay or trans person sees them let alone may find them attractive, I would just be flattered and move on.

    "Jesus Christ was black, ronald reagan was the devil, and the government is lying about 9/11." Huey Freeman

    by cee4 on Tue Mar 05, 2013 at 04:00:15 PM PST

    •  Their mental picture of a transperson is none... (13+ / 0-)

      ...of these kids.  It is completely divorced from reality.

      But making the girls pictured above dress with boys and the boys dress with girls?  I have to believe that would make the trans kids unsafe.

      •  They assume all trans persons are kiddie fidlers (8+ / 0-)

        And perverts instead of being regular people. Who just want to live their lives and be left alone.

        "Jesus Christ was black, ronald reagan was the devil, and the government is lying about 9/11." Huey Freeman

        by cee4 on Tue Mar 05, 2013 at 04:17:58 PM PST

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      •  They also presume that cis kids (13+ / 0-)

        are comfortable using locker rooms with other cis kids of the same gender.

        I skipped showering for an entire multi-day overnight school trip because of an undivided multiperson shower that the teachers would not let anyone be guaranteed a chance to bathe alone in. I went to school on gym days, middle and high school, wearing clothing that would pass gym dress code muster except for at most needing to change shoes, and if I did need to change I did it in a bathroom stall with the door secured.

        I would not have had any issues with a trans kid in the same locker room that I did not already have with the cis kids, except maybe we would have been racing each other for the few available lockable stalls to change in - which is a 'why the hell do schools still make kids undress in public for required courses?' logistical problem and school policy issue and NOT a problem created by the existence of any given student.

        Prayers and best wishes to those in Japan.

        by Cassandra Waites on Tue Mar 05, 2013 at 05:20:10 PM PST

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        •  What does cis mean? (3+ / 0-)
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          "Jesus Christ was black, ronald reagan was the devil, and the government is lying about 9/11." Huey Freeman

          by cee4 on Tue Mar 05, 2013 at 08:12:57 PM PST

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        •  At least they still had functional showers. (5+ / 0-)

          When my daughter was in high school, the staff had taken over the showers for storage. She was in weight training two years and had to use the sink to sponge off.

          The rest of her story. She's been 99.9% tomboy since about 2. Straight, just doesn't do the usual girl stuff, especially clothes. Due to medical problems, she has had weight issues most of her life. Also was sexually assaulted by a cousin at 6.

          She still wears baggy jeans, tee shirts, hiking boots, buzz cut and a ball cap whenever possible. She's been mistaken for a guy or lesbian regularly since kindergarten. During a high school band competition, two guys from another school followed her into the girls bathroom. She pointed out that the door does have a sign..

          At least the first three years, she often walked into a girls bathroom to see shock in someone's eyes, sometimes the scream was first. After a year or so, she went in prepared. If anyone looked freaked out, she flipped her Tshirt up to show off the bra and boobs. Having had to wrestle with a brother 4 years older and 95th percentile in height to her 50, the guys learned quickly not to mess with her.

          Every once in a while she met a girl who envied her clothes. Usually the parents would not let their daughter choose clothes that were unfeminine. Lauren would then explain her dad gives her all kinds of trouble, buys her makeup and PINK stuff. And I always let her pick out what she wanted, or bought it if it was her shades of blue.  

          She normally impresses adults a lot. Not just intelligence, but decency, and all around nice person. And then there are the people who basically freak out. Like the girls in the bathroom. The mother of a girl in one class, who had the same name, insisted to Lauren's face that it couldn't be her name because she is a boy. I went over, introduced myself 'and this is my daughter, Lauren.' The woman looked like she wanted to hit something.

          We really have a problem grasping that we have problems with public bathrooms and nudity. And we have an even bigger problem believing in abuse that is hidden.

          Then O'Reilly jumps in with his 2 digit IQ and maximum vocal chord over intellect comments.

          Instead of developing teaching materials for students who might find themselves in a locker room or shower with a trans, we have a Dem lawmaker trying to take what looks like the easy way out.  The GOPers have really affected intelligence in this country, not in a good way.

          "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

          by Ginny in CO on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 01:22:44 AM PST

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          •  Hmm, O'Reilly isn't good for electronics either. (3+ / 0-)
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            That clip crashed my media player :(

            "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

            by Ginny in CO on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 01:27:11 AM PST

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          •  I don't know if our showers worked. (3+ / 0-)
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            Probably, it was a relatively new facility and both genders had at least one sports team impressive enough to have whine-to-superintendent-successfully clout if anything had been broken.

            We were scheduled so closely in high school that changing shoes put you at risk of being late.

            Prayers and best wishes to those in Japan.

            by Cassandra Waites on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 06:20:34 AM PST

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