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    I don't see how people such as yourself can presume that people are are presumptively responsible law abiding gun owners. The evidence to the contrary is enormous.

    We set so many people up to fail, and select enforcement of existing law then feeds them into the prison pipeline, and the negative consequences compound from there.

    How can someone who has no training in the law, no training in gun safety, no assistance with becoming proficient as a marksman or a gun owner be a responsible law abiding gun owner.

    Currently it's a societal game of Russian roulette.

    Poor kid buys a gun, but not a holster. Wouldn't occur to him to take a gun safety class. Sticks it in his waistband, and shoots himself in the leg. Or he doesn't go the range to practice. Never bothers to clean the gun until it jams. Shoots someone while trying to disassemble the jammed gun for cleaning.

    The toll of injury and death by gunshot is born by those who survive, who must pick up the pieces of their shattered lives.

    Under current law, we set poor, uneducated and careless people up for catastrophic failure, and then blame them for the negative compounding effects ongoing in their lives.

    "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

    by LilithGardener on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 11:45:17 AM PST

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      Same reason I believe in the presumption of innocence, though I admit that my standard of evidence when merely observing falls short of reasonable doubt.  

      If you can't see how I can presume that people are law abiding and non-violent, should I take that to mean you presume your fellow citizens are violent law breakers?  Is that a healthy way to go through life?  And what evidence to the contrary?  This country has 300 million people, 4/5ths of whom are adults and the vast majority manage to go from birth to death without so much as an arrest on their record.

      You make a lot of assumptions about the degree of proficiency gun owners have, but it goes beyond simple precaution and borders on paranoia.  I'm all in favor of mandating training because I believe doing so is to the benefit of the owner, his family and his community.  Casual gun ownership is as much a threat to gun rights as the paranoiacs dressing down rape victims with made up statistics.  However, I am not going to tolerate "gun safety" measures that are merely dressed up attempts to curtail and discourage gun ownership period.

      I'd find it hilarious that the people screaming about the misuse of firearms by our youth are the same people who balk at even age appropriate, comprehensive education for our kids.  But when the result of this Luddism is more dead bodies in the streets there's no place for laughter.

      When God gives you lemons, you find a new god.

      by Patrick Costighan on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 11:56:00 AM PST

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