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  •  human race extinct in 100 years - scientist (10+ / 0-)

    this is not just the collapse of civilization, but the end of the human species

    what could be more serious?

    oh I know the answer to that. Shoveling more money to the 1%. More power to the banksters. Energy companies making billions by shipping dirty tar sands across the continental US to refine into oil to ship somewhere else in the world

    the economics of renewable energy are not up to the task yet - kill high speed rail in 3 states when Rep governors  elected in 2010 (OH, FL, WI)

    James Hansen has said that if the tar sands are developed, it is game over for the climate

    here is a scientist who predicts the end of the human race

    Human race 'will be extinct within 100 years', claims leading scientist

    •  What could be more serious? (3+ / 0-)

      Tomorrow's dinner with the boss?
      Getting behind the wheel of a new car ASAP?
      Buying as BIGGER house?
      Buying piles of stuff in lots of cardboard and plastic?
      Putting together a piece of exceedingly incremental legislation, sleeping on it, then leaving it on the shelf to collect dust?
      Striving to repeat the fleeting feeling of happiness from consumption as frequently as possible?
      Tracking the next political horserace.
      Replacing hard right jackass A with Center Right moderate B?
      Eating out?
      Going to the movies?
      Tee time?
      Maintaining platinum flyer status?
      Getting a promotion?
      Watering and chemically treating the lawn?
      More iPhone Apps?
      Nip slips and red carpet fashion blunders?
      More diamonds and furs? know, status?!
      ... and money, because it's simply amazing how much more there is out there to own ($200 trillion worth worldwide, I hear)!!
      Yeah, getting "mine"!!!!

      Really, have you no imagination, Don?

      The Deniers and their enablers from the Middle have plenty of more "serious" stuff to do.

      When 1% take 121% of the gains from "recovery", people actually recovering from lost employment are trading down on wages and benefits. Current strategies by moderates don't even consider winning the Class War.

      by Words In Action on Tue Mar 05, 2013 at 04:26:20 PM PST

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      •  The deniers are being enabled, but NOT............ (0+ / 0-)

        by the "middle". No, my dear misguided friend, that dubious honor goes directly to the doomers. Yes, you read that right, by the way. How are people going to want to wake up to reality when all they hear is gloom-and-doom, such as the "inevitable" total collapse of global civilization or human extinction, due to just AGW? Or how the IPCC is supposedly being "dishonest" because they're not willing(and for a good reason!) to give credence to wannabe doomsday prophets who pull various extreme predictions out of their asses(Guy McPherson is particularly notorious for this.)?

        When most people hear that shit, they don't wake up. They either tune out, or they run straight to the other side.....just the facts of the matter.

        •  When I think about the inevitable and unavoidable (1+ / 0-)
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          consequences of our inaction, I am reminded how much urgent action is needed now. If we do act, thingswill get much worse. If we don't act things will get unimaginably worse. There is plenty of oil and gas still in the ground. If we put it all in the air, it will be beyond awful.
          We need the cold (wrong word) hard facts to get out there.

          •  Re: "We need the cold (wrong word) hard facts" (0+ / 0-)

            Yes, and with none of the hyperbole that's been so fucking problematic these days. People are going to listen a lot better when you point out what's already happening, right now, then some wacka-doodle B.S. theory about the supposedly inevitable collapse of civilization, extinction of humanity, "Venus Syndrome"(which isn't even possible on Earth anyway.....or at least, not due to global warming, anyway), etc.

            There's been a gigantic messaging failure on our part, sadly.....and it doesn't help that the same mainstream media that gives the deniers carte-blanche to spin their B.S., also seems to take every single B.S. doomsday or exaggerationist(google Guy McPherson, btw. He's a REAL nutter) prediction they can find and spew it all over the place.

    •  Humans can survive in much reduced numbers (5+ / 0-)

      He says extinction comes from climate change and overpopulation.  But climate change will bring about a (very painful) reduction in population.  Civilization as we know it will surely end but a smaller human race could survive if it adapts sufficiently.

      Still time to avert it, though it is running out.  I don't think China has factored in future health care costs from air and water pollution, toxics, and dwindling food supplies.  I see populations dropping significantly in next 20-30 years.  Even here, so we can stop worrying about burgeoning costs for older people.  Life expectancy here will begin to drop within 10 years, I believe, from climate change and increased poverty.  Not a cheery prospect, and why all this fretting over "entitlements" is so misplaced.  In 10 years the debates of the teens will look sooooo misguided.

      The scientific uncertainty doesn't mean that climate change isn't actually happening.

      by Mimikatz on Tue Mar 05, 2013 at 05:17:44 PM PST

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      •  "Civilization as we know it will surely end" (0+ / 0-)

        If you're talking about collapse, Mimi, then the truthful and most honest answer, is definitely: "No, civilization as we know it will not necessarily end.".

        •  Thanks, Yoda. (0+ / 0-)

          For that nugget of wisdom. I assume you know that some magic bullet will allow us to continue to burn ever-increasing record amounts of fossil fuels, release all the permafrost methane, and generally blow greenhouse gas from here to the Sun.

          I suppose it all depends on your definition of Civilization. Multiply the damage and frequency of Sandy many, many times per year on each continent, combined with widespread drought, famine and wildfires, tornadoes, etc. and you will see incredible disruptions in the economy, communications, social cohesion. Couple that with the ongoing lack of recovery for most people and you have an even worse situation. Combine that with increasing hostilities over numerous natural resources being rapidly depleted, including the basics, like clean fresh water...

          When 1% take 121% of the gains from "recovery", people actually recovering from lost employment are trading down on wages and benefits. Current strategies by moderates don't even consider winning the Class War.

          by Words In Action on Tue Mar 05, 2013 at 08:54:39 PM PST

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    •  It's just one guy, though. (1+ / 0-)
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      And that's the problem; it seems that every time someone  makes a radical, absurd, and quite frankly, just plain wrong, fringe claim like this, that the media almost immediately jumps on it, as if it might actually be factual.....but, then again, this is the same Western MSM that helped prop up climate deniers, too, so there's no fucking surprise there.....

      As for Frank Fenner, I applaud the good work he did in the past with virus research, but he's not a climate scientist, and I wish we'd leave the predictions to them(with the sole exceptions possibly being Hansen & Lovelock; both of them are too given to spouting semi-random doom-and-gloom predictions.).

      •  If we are going to die, then who will try and stop (1+ / 0-)
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        Steve Canella change our present course? We have to be smart about the messaging we embrace or people will believe there isn't anything we  can do which just ensures our demise.

        "There is nothing more dreadful than the habit of doubt. Doubt separates people. It is a poison that disintegrates friendships and breaks up pleasant relations. It is a thorn that irritates and hurts; it is a sword that kills.".. Buddha

        by sebastianguy99 on Tue Mar 05, 2013 at 06:36:48 PM PST

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