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  •  Twenty-five years??? Yikes! (2+ / 0-)
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    Desert Scientist, ladybug53

    To have endured that wait even while your field was undergoing major evolution, with its standards in constant flux... I can't imagine having the strength for that.

    Now you don't need this astro person to tell you that it wasn't the alignment of stars but the sanity of good people who recognized your quality.  Take credit where it's due!  

    In all my astrophysical research, I don't think I ever connected stellar or planetary alignments to anything other than sleepy excitement in the telescope control room at 330AM.  

    Luckily for us, it was very tough to be a smoker and an astronomer (though at Palomar one could occasionally imbibe while observing at the 5m), and we were always socially-inappropriate geeks.  It was bad enough to spend 12 hours of dark time shut up in a control room with a vegetarian, if you get my drift.

    Thanks for your wisdom and for your skill writing about it.  Your empathy is well-earned, and you are spending it wisely.  

    (-7.62,-7.33) Carbon footprint 12.6 metric tons. l'Enfer, c'est les autres.

    by argomd on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 09:47:48 AM PST

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    •  Thanks! I of course don't believe ... (1+ / 0-)
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      that stars had anything to do with it, but I had given up on ever getting a faculty position when a certain dept. head made the mistake of promoting another staffer ahead of me.  This staffer was not well liked by the faculty and they quickly brought up the inequity.  He made a half-hearted effort to promote me and (as I found out later) the paperwork had disappeared into the dean's office.  However we got a new interim provost, a new dean, and a new dept. head and at least one female faculty member who was determined to get me promoted.  The new dept. head almost immediately sent the paperwork to the dean, who signed off on it and sent it to the provost, who within a month signed my appointment as a College Associate Professor.  Both the dean and the faculty member (bless her!) pushed me to formally submit my package to the P & T committees to get a full professorship and the rest is history.

      •  You were appointed directly to Associate? Wow! (1+ / 0-)
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        Unless in your institution it was the Full that gave tenure.  It is wonderful to know that sometimes, sometimes!! the right thing is done, through whatever twists and turns.

        Have you ever served on a P&T committee yourself?  I chaired one for a couple of years and it was an unalloyed nightmare.  Problems from the med school kept us busier than all the rest of the campuses put together.  It would have been a welcome relief to have been presented a case like yours.  And a delight.  And a quick decision.

        Again, many thanks for what you're doing.

        (-7.62,-7.33) Carbon footprint 12.6 metric tons. l'Enfer, c'est les autres.

        by argomd on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 04:48:22 PM PST

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        •  Well, tenure is a different matter! (1+ / 0-)
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          But it did not matter in the end.  I still got a very nice retirement package and emeritus status, and I got to sit on several P & T committees (although I could only recommend promotion, not tenure).  It was on one of these committees that I signed off on the promotion of our first African faculty member (not African-American).  That was a great privilege.

        •  I should have noted that tenure was not .... (1+ / 0-)
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          part of the deal, although after 25 years that hardly mattered (although it would have been nice).  The university had developed a "parallel" system of faculty (although they would deny that it was parallell.) They called it the "College System."  I thus retired with a College Professor ranking, making me eligible for emeritus status.  Still College Professor beat the heck out of Science Specialist.

          By the time I was appointed to the faculty I had fifty journal articles, over 100 non-journal articles, one book-length manual, and twelve book chapters, plus seven successful graduate students and had built a museum serving several thousand K-12 students per year, with a research collection of over 30,000 databased specimens and over 70,000 non-databased specimens.  

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