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  •  And Chavez openly supported Assad & Gaddafi (8+ / 0-)

    Two vicious dictators who combined have killed 100,000 people and counting crushing domestic dissent. To say nothing of those tortured, displaced, starved in those countries.

    Assad's tanks at this point only run because he gets diesel from Venezuela.

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    by TarantinoDork on Tue Mar 05, 2013 at 06:32:44 PM PST

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    •  And Obama openly supported Mubarak for (14+ / 0-)

      as long as it was politically viable - and Mubarak had people in his torture chambers raped.

      by dogs

      Now, did you have a point?

      income gains to the top 1% from 2009 to 2011 were 121% of all income increases. How did that happen? Incomes to the bottom 99% fell by 0.4%

      by JesseCW on Tue Mar 05, 2013 at 08:21:06 PM PST

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      •  Chavez supported EVERY Arab Spring dictator. (3+ / 0-)
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        Every freakin' one. Even after it wasn't politically viable.

        Obama's failures do not excuse his.

        "See? I'm not a racist! I have a black friend!"

        by TheHalfrican on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 02:45:39 AM PST

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        •  I'm sure you'll happily trumpet the list of HRW (0+ / 0-)

          reports condemning Obama's violations of international law, then?

          We'll be seeing that diary from you soon?

          income gains to the top 1% from 2009 to 2011 were 121% of all income increases. How did that happen? Incomes to the bottom 99% fell by 0.4%

          by JesseCW on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 10:32:12 AM PST

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      •  Hello There False Equivalency! (1+ / 0-)
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        Are you really basing your argument for Chavez on a comparison that Obama was as tight with Mubarak as Chavez was with Gaddafi, Assad, & Castro?

        Really?

        Because I'm pretty sure Mubarak is out of power and The President had a hand in that. What hand did Chavez have in ousting Gaddafi, Assad, & Castro?

        Sorry President Obama didn't do it fast enough for you. I'm sure Chavez would have done it quicker. Except he didn't. And he never would have.

        •  Nor could he have (2+ / 0-)
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          He was the elected leader of a relatively small and politically impotent country.

        •  You think the US President is why Mubarak (0+ / 0-)

          is out of power?

          Seriously?

          income gains to the top 1% from 2009 to 2011 were 121% of all income increases. How did that happen? Incomes to the bottom 99% fell by 0.4%

          by JesseCW on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 10:27:50 AM PST

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        •  We're still arming Bahrain and Yemen. (1+ / 0-)
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          Those governments are still butchering their people on our dime, just as Mubarak did.

          Nearly a thousand Egyptians were confirmed killed during the revolution - and what did Obama say about it?

          "I find it ironic that you've got the Iranian regime pretending to celebrate what happened in Egypt, when in fact they have acted in direct contrast to what happened in Egypt by gunning down and beating people who were trying to express themselves peacefully in Iran,"

          Even when it was all said and done, he was still trying to pretend the US puppet hadn't gunned down and beaten protesters.

          income gains to the top 1% from 2009 to 2011 were 121% of all income increases. How did that happen? Incomes to the bottom 99% fell by 0.4%

          by JesseCW on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 10:31:17 AM PST

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    •  Uh, Bush supported Gaddafi and Assad (6+ / 0-)

      as well. McCain had barbecue with Gaddafi and was singing his praises.

      How many hundreds of thousands dead in the GWOT?

      •  And that was despicable (2+ / 0-)
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        I'm beyond disgusted that Bush sent prisoners for torture in Assad's prison, and gave Gaddafi such a sweetheart deal in return for some secondhand Pakistani centrifuges.  And all the Benghazi hearings in the world won't hide McCain's direct coddling of the man who butchered 270 people over Lockerbie.

        When push came to shove, however, and it was made clear we had to choose between the dictator and those people marching for their rights...we chose the people.  In Libya, Egypt, Tunisia, Yemen...we sided with the people.  And thats what we're trying to do now in Syria.  With full knowledge that a democratic Syria will almost certainly shorten the life expectancy of other "Pro-American" dictators in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan, Bahrain.

        Chavez sided with the dictator. Every. Single. Time.  If he wanted to end the Syrian Civil War it would have been as simple as cutting off Venezuela as a source of diesel fuel for Assad's tanks.

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        by TarantinoDork on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 08:01:52 AM PST

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        •  We did not side with the "people" (1+ / 0-)
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          we recognized that the stooge we had been supported was doomed.

          Many if not most of the world's leaders are dictators, many propped up by the US.  Like Venezuela could somehow sway a country into adopting democratic rule.

          We could, but most times we don't.

        •  Oh yea, the tried and true American tactic (1+ / 0-)
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          of nurturing dictators and then discarding them when they turn inconvient.  Noriega, Saddam, etc.

          When we do it it's out of benevolent ideals.  When Chavez doesn't single-handedly end the Syrian civil war, it's proof of his depravity.

          •  No, when he sees a Dictator massacring his own ppl (0+ / 0-)

            And sees that as an opportunity to up fuel exports to said dictator by 10,000%, it is proof of his depravity.  

            Or perhaps worse in your mind...proof he's secretly an amoral capitalist.

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            by TarantinoDork on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 08:44:39 AM PST

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          •  As opposed to sticking by dictators til the end? (1+ / 0-)
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            Because whether its Chavez, Assad, or Gaddafi I've seen far too many on this board stick by these autocrats until long after the bitter end.

            Look around, you'll find posters declaring Gaddafi a misunderstood socialist who built lots of infrastructure.  And Assad as a beacon of secular morality.

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            by TarantinoDork on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 08:52:00 AM PST

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