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  •  How did they tilt the playing field? (69+ / 0-)

    1) They own everything so you pay them rent. The general term is economic rent and it covers a wide range of economic activity where the owners make money because they "own"a resource and get payed for doing nothing.

    2) Your debt is their wealth. Your monthly payments for your mortgage, student debt and credit card debt is a fabulous cash pipeline into their coffers.

    3) Monopolies, near monopolies and corporate collusion have killed competition. The energy companies are a good example. They generate fabulous profits. Adam Smith's invisible hand is a myth. Excess profits today are a reality. Monopoly busting is a thing of the past. TBTF, no problem, just bail them out and make them bigger.

    4) Creation of a class of economic elites has created large personal wealth. In this case I'm including executives of large corporations and pretty much anyone with a principle roll in the investment sector.

    5) Extraction leases way below the value of the commodity extracted creates enormous wealth at public expense.

    6) Create a tax structure where multimillionaires pay very low effective rates.

    7) Mercantilism allows importers, distributors and retailers to make substantial profits off of cheap offshore labor. Good paying manufacturing jobs are replaced by excess profits to a few.

    Obviously, we have worked very hard at creating wealth and income disparity and have succeeded beyond our wildest dreams. The problem now is that a continual growth of disparity is free wheeling unless something disruptive happens to change all of this.

      •  Yes, we are. But how? (2+ / 0-)

        We don't have ways for people to be heard.

        Even winning the House in 2014 would not bring about fundamental change.  It'd be great - and I'll work hard for it -- but it's not enough to, for example, put the financial and fossil fuel sectors back in their places.  It's not enough to give us economic security.

        Are we gonna have to go around banging pots & pans in the street in huge numbers?  Would that even get people's attention?  And if we did get their attention, what would we do with it?

        At this point it's not enough to just bash the system & its players.  We know this stuff, right? (And thanks for the diary & good graphics, Ray)

        Your ideas, folks.

        •  Look at number two on the list, that's how (1+ / 0-)
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          Refusing to pay our debts is a powerful and simple form of resistance. If we organize a debt strike it is the easiest and most powerful thing we can do. There's a trillion dollars in outstanding student loans. If we can organize ten percent of that to refuse we can do amazing things. And once it starts it's the sort of thing that snowballs.

        •  Here are my ideas: (4+ / 0-)
          1. Engage in a relentless counter-propaganda campaign using every possible available media outlet, including TV, radio, newspapers, magazines, social media, SEO, flyers, posters, teach-ins, rallies.  Do this very deliberately and strategically.  This "war" that has been waged against the people starts with propaganda.  Come up with a public relations strategy, advertising, marketing.  Deconstruct the methods used by the fascistic billionaires-funded groups and mimic them.
          2. Form a national network of social justice and anti corruption activists and turn it into a think tank to come up with specific strategies and tactics to take on the oligarchy.  Examine ideas about how to put pressure on media outlets one town, city, and state at a time.  How to expose links of corruption between corporations and politicians, and how to target these actors with direct action.
          3. Take to the streets in highly organized protests.  This is a very important and necessary component.  Come up with ways to make sure these protests actually put pressure on the system (peacefully).

          Regardless of whether people agree with my prescriptions, the key here is that people need to understand that it is absolutely necessary to form a national network focused on reaching as many people as possible to educate them about what's really going on, to encourage them to join an organized resistance movement, and to take action in a very focused, coordinated, cohesive, and strategic manner.

    •  quick answer: global economy, cheap goods (15+ / 0-)

      main street could no longer compete with consumers looking for cheap... so we, in effect, killed ourselves.

      we went from job and wealth producers to consumers and workers.

      once this model was in place, it became easy to take control.

      and of course we are so easy to convince that somebody else is the problem; ie, many have no problem with cigarette manufacturers but are angry at smokers. like it's okay to make a product that kills people as long as people want to buy it. yet those who buy it are stupid and are crashing our health care system. i don't get it. really. but it keeps us fighting each other instead of neutralizing the system.

      then taxes... i think tax pressures applied at the right places increase spending because rather than pay taxes people will improve their infrastructure, train employees etc... rich people will become philanthropists rather than pay the tax man... but all that is gone now.

      why? among progressives or conservatives, we've been fighting against each other and thinking that speaking truth to power actually accomplishes something.

      if we want to make our country whole, then we have to stop fighting fellow citizens and start ignoring the 1% and find ways to regionalize economies, get back on school boards, town councils, and follow Maine and Montana with people sitting on state legislatures that void bad federal policy, like NDAA.

      anyway...

      •  We the people are supposed to be in charge (12+ / 0-)

        of the government, according to the Constitution.  If that's true, then we can set the parameters for the economy based on what's best for the well-being of the population.

        Right now the parameters are being set by parasitic and predatory corporatist cartels.

        •  don't get stuck. (16+ / 0-)

          it doesn't really matter what is "supposed to be"

          deal with what is and how we move away from those in control and create our own thing.

          we will not change those in power. not with facts or reason and force is not a pretty or really viable option.

          but we still have time, enough facade, to get in place an economic ground game and an ethical vision for putting it in place and living next door to each other.

          it is a shame that a place like this, dKos, is stuck in brand politics. it could truly have a transformative role if there was more interest in the issues and local politics and helping us develop the internet and its tools to organize locally and reach our neighbors in ways that are meaningful (like can we get community calendars and car pooling? dropping off groceries to disabled or elderly... just for simple examples).

          •  We have the nettools but neither the talent nor th (11+ / 0-)

            interest. It's so much more fun to play the old games that are tied to some fool belief in America the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave, while crackerjack sneaks and greedheads who have mastered the predators' skills are eating us and our children. And hey! cooptation works wonders for corporation! Buy the schools! Privatize the prisons! Get the place looking like Detroit BEFORE Robocop cleaned it up! Look! It's getting OK to be LGBT openly and get legally married, and able to sign a mortgage, and go join the military to go kill Wogs in Farfarawayistan! so hey! Freedom! The folks who collect the rents and are stealing our birthright are On Our Side! So don't let's waste any of our energies on Everybody Issues -- let Everybody take care of themselves! The Libertarian dream!

            Two thoughts, the first from "it's only a movie" "Robocop.:"

            Omni Consumer Products
            Omni Consumer Products OCP logo.svg
            Type     corporation and laboratory
            Founder(s)     The "Old Man"
            Headquarters     Detroit and Delta City, Michigan
            Products     Consumer products
            Space exploration
            Urban Pacification Tools
            Military grade weaponry
            Food products
            Private government

            Omni Consumer Products (OCP) is a fictional megacorporation in the RoboCop franchise. It creates products for virtually every consumer need, has entered into endeavors normally deemed non-profit, and even manufactured an entire city to be maintained exclusively by the corporation.[13][14] OCP is a modern example of the longstanding trope of the evil megacorporation in science fiction.[15][16]

            OCP is depicted as a megacorporation with divisions affecting nearly every level of consumer need, society, and government. Their products range from consumer products to military weaponry and private space travel. Their projects included RoboCop, the ED-209, and the RoboCop 2 cyborg. OCP owns and operates a privatized Detroit Police Department and have been known to employ criminals to achieve their goals.[13]

            OCP, throughout its depictions in the RoboCop films, has sought to fully privatize a dystopian Detroit, Michigan, into "Delta City", a manufactured municipality governed by a corporatocracy, with fully privatized services — such as police — and with residents exercising their representative citizenship through the purchase of shares of OCP stock. They also serve as part of the military–industrial complex; according to OCP executive Richard "Dick" Jones, "We practically are the military." Jones observes in RoboCop that OCP has "gambled in markets traditionally regarded as non-profit: hospitals, prisons, space exploration. I say good business is where you find it."[13]

            In RoboCop 3, OCP is bought by a Japanese Zaibatsu, the Kanemitsu corporation. As a Kanemitsu subsidiary, OCP remains in charge of the destruction of old Detroit and the construction of Delta City. By the end of the movie, OCP's brutal policies concerning Delta City are brought to light, many of OCP's majority shareholders sell their stock, and OCP itself is forced into bankruptcy.[17]

            By the time of RoboCop: Prime Directives, OCP is shown being manipulated by a brash young executive who, through murder and reallocation of resources, ascends to power to automate Delta City under a new artificial intelligence. This is manipulated by a cyberterrorist, who seeks the destruction of the human race through a virus that can be introduced to computers and human beings alike.[18]

            For the 2013 remake, the corporation is called "OmniCorp", with the slogan "We've Got the Future Under Control."

            http://en.wikipedia.org/...

            The second from the libertarian vision of the future:

            "Journey into a Libertarian Future, Part I of V"  http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/...

            "Is that all there is?" Peggy Lee.

            by jm214 on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 04:17:50 AM PST

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          •  very practical advice (1+ / 0-)
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            It's too easy to get addicted to the righteous feeling of speaking truth to power and indulging in brand politics online. I fall prey to it myself.

            Problem is that oftentimes the non-local gov'ts and the 1% lobby does actively & passively thwart local problem-solving. The media also promotes a helplessness - even the friendly types like Rachel & Ed.

          •  Interesting & great to see... (0+ / 0-)

            ...old friends who really want to work for sane change come to Ray's articles.  Good thing.  Needs to be.

            Hi, pfiore8.

            "Truth and love will overcome lies and hatred.” Vaclav Havel

            by dharmasyd on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 09:33:30 PM PST

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      •  People may have wanted cheap, but also (1+ / 0-)
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        Cheap is what was on offer from the Walmarts of the world. You can't buy what isn't there.

        Thump! Bang. Whack-boing. It's dub!

        by dadadata on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 02:56:25 AM PST

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        •  don't agree. (6+ / 0-)

          the small video stores were still there, and pharmacies and funeral parlors... but they were bought up and out and of course, what incentives were there to stay small? give value for money and be accountable when the customers were not happy?

          who do you find when products go awry at wal mart? or Macy's? how do you complain to the cable company? or find the real decision maker at the syndicated newspaper.

          the bigger companies became and cheaper things got, the farther we got from control. and then the top started to siphon profits in all ways except funneling them back into growing companies and employees. in fact, to keep the balance sheets glowing, high wage earners were whacked ... well, you know the rest of the story.

          i only went ONCE to a WalMart and decided: oh no, this is not for me. but really, it is hard to find something like an iron without considering going to walmart.

    •  And now: control the vote (24+ / 0-)

      Now # 8: control the vote.  Limit voting to the "right" people, removing the "wrong" people from the voting ranks, only count certain votes and discard other votes, limit opportunities to vote, and to jump start the process: unelected emergency managers.

      "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

      by Hugh Jim Bissell on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 03:50:18 AM PST

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    •  A good example of #3 (22+ / 0-)

      Is PG&E.  The rate increase that was supposed to go to gas pipeline maintenance was pocketed by executives in the form of huge bonuses.  When a pipeline exploded in San Bruno, KILLING people, PG&E turned around and informed everyone that they'd have to pay for the damages in higher rates - as well as pay AGAIN for the testing and repair of their gas pipelines.  The PUC lets them get away with everything.  It's one of the most criminal enterprises in America.

      The San Francisco Chronicle has covered their reckless activities extensively, and everyone boils about it in the comments, but what can you do?  You can't boycott your power company.  So people get screwed again, and again, and again while the wealthy executives at PG&E laugh.

      you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows

      by Dem Beans on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 05:56:26 AM PST

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      •  Nisource (14+ / 0-)

        and Nipsco are doing the same thing in my area.  The rate increases are getting pocketed by the excutives, the CEO is making five million a year, while the people pay more for less heat.  Now the CEO of Nisource is asking the state government for more money from the people to update facilities, no investment of their own profits, that just goes to the pocket of shareholders and excutives.  Which is a disgrace especially since they are also receiving susidies from the government/taxpayers.

        "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution­ary act. " George Orwell

        by zaka1 on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 06:16:01 AM PST

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        •  'Public' utilities (23+ / 0-)

          that don't serve the public but rake in cash for executives and shareholders are one of the biggest scams out there.  There's no competition, nowhere to go, you're a captive of their disgraceful greed.

          Energy costs go up every year yet these same people squeal that the minimum wage can't be raised!  Somewhere there's going to be a tipping point - there has to be.

          you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows

          by Dem Beans on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 06:21:20 AM PST

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          •  Good argument for nationalization. -eom- (11+ / 0-)

            The road to Hell is paved with pragmatism.

            by TheOrchid on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 06:49:48 AM PST

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              •  Nisource (4+ / 0-)

                and Nipsco that just built a solar farm on subsidies is charging triple the cost to use that type of energy.  Which all they are doing is protecting their marketshare on the market by making a cheaper cleaner energy source more expensive for the average person to use.

                The power, greed and manipulation the gas and electric companies have with lobbying our government in order to make millions of dollars in just part of the problem.  I'd gladly use the solar farm energy, but they are charging triple the amount per kwh than they are for regular electric kwh use.  This is holding up the whole world and killing our environment.  Cheaper and cleaner sources are out there, but they still want to make money over providing a cheaper and better source to customers and our environment.

                "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution­ary act. " George Orwell

                by zaka1 on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 10:04:25 AM PST

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                •  Well, that's hardly unusual. (0+ / 0-)

                  Deal is, if you've got roof and/or yard that gets sun, you can go solar for yourself. Feed-ins aren't really a 'good' deal ('trons they sell to you when the sun's not shining are far more expensive than the 'trons you sell them from your generators), but it should cut the overall cost of electricity enough to justify.

                  •  And can this (1+ / 0-)
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                    be done in a condo without board approval?  Because if the building is altered in any way I can get sued.

                    "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution­ary act. " George Orwell

                    by zaka1 on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 01:01:26 PM PST

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                    •  Sorry, can't help you there. (1+ / 0-)
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                      I've got ~15 acres of south slope land, can develop - if I had the money - microhydro (two creeks), ridgetop wind (like vertical designs), and/or solar. We're done with the mortgage next year, at which point we could make payments on actually doing that development.

                      Perhaps getting with all the condo owners to suggest putting up some generation capacity would work. You never know unless you try!

                    •  Um (0+ / 0-)

                      A condo board is pretty democratic.  Theoretically, people could start shaking things up at that level so, yes, it can be done, in theory.  

                      Unfortunately, in reality, nobody wants to get off their asses and get involved.

              •  Most people (7+ / 0-)

                in this economy can not afford to go solar. Green technology is expensive. Energy saving, retrofitting, green transportation even green appliances are not affordable to most of us. The corporations control the distribution and production look at cars. The big car manufactures crank out co called green SUV's and market these earth destroyers as green.

                 Sustainable, market based, environmental is an oxymoron just like health care for profit is. All distribution and manufacturing even of our food for the most part, is controlled and and owned by the multinational too bigs and are part of the ownership society.

                There is no more public utilities or public anything it's all for profit and the 'market'. Local or regional control of goods and services is being  A Scottish company owns our electricity. A corporation called Century link from St. Paul ate Qwest and our choices for Internet wireless are them or Comcast. Went from decent affordable high speed DSL to Internet service that intermittent and really bad. We depend on wireless for our business and when it goes out for 3 days my husband ends up working on a neighbors porch piggy backing her Comcast.  

                My point here is that by design it's very hard for people to live without these too bigs. They have rigged more then the political system they have built our infrastructures, communities and societies to feed the global NWO. This market is anything but free.  

                The states are as bad as the Feds we elected a Democratic governor in 2010 who immediately declared OR was 'open for business' and started shipping coal down the river to ship to China. Now they want to ship it by rail. No public opposition can stop these assholes look at Keystone. They are not 'inevitable' but it will take a critical mass globally to stop them.

                We just elected a  'Democratic' mayor who is so crooked and into the developers pocket that under the guise of urban green growth development they are gutting our neighborhood and building  expensive condo's with no redeeming value. They billed these complexes as urban affordable growth that would reduce traffic and car use. None have garages. A study just came out that says 75% of the people who live in this developer's other 'projects' drive and own cars. Growth is touted as the be all and yet all it does is make the obscenely rich richer.    

                We need to take it back but how can people who are just hanging on and barely keeping themselves housed and fed be expected to jettison there lives. Fear also holds people in line. Look at what happened to OWS. Who can afford to get out from under this by design nightmare. Ask me it's going to have to get worse before ordinary people say enough. Meanwhile I do see signs of community organizing and push back in our city and even the most complacent are starting to realize that they too are vulnerable and getting screwed.      

                                     

                •  I hear you. (6+ / 0-)

                  My electric company is Duke - big on coal and nukes, the worst of the corporate nasties - and they just got another 17% price hike on already outrageous charges. My house is literally 28-feet square, no electric heat or AC, we average $250 a month for the little we use. Soon to go up nearly 20%, of course. Our income has gone steadily down every year for the past decade as the cost of insurance and food and everything else keeps going up. So wherever we might have hoped for breathing room, we've been suffocated. We can't get big loans because we simply don't have the income to make payments. Now into our 60s, it doesn't look to be getting any easier.

                  Still... still, I have dreams. Our home and land will be paid for in April of next year, on a 15-year owner finance (which was the only way we could ever have bought it). That'll be a little more than $400 a month we won't have to be paying out. I figure we can hope that by next summer the cost of plug-n-play solar panels may come down enough for us to go ahead and install 10 kW worth. Can't go all the way off-grid because those big storage batteries are far too expensive, but Duke does have to buy all our excess 'trons. If we arrange not to draw much from the grid at night - using car-sized batteries we can recharge during the day to power lights and 'pooters plus refrigerator (it'll only take two or three) - our average $250 a month bill from Duke should go to less than $100. Even with their new price hike.

                  A dream that we could actually save $150 to $200 a month total outlay, with the savings from mortgage paying the payments for the solar panels. To be paid off in 5 years or less at that rate, so by the time we're 66 and trying to live on SS, we'll be able to do so without having to develop a taste for Meow Mix. And even if we have to sell out and move to Costa Rica (I'm definitely considering that, as I do every February/March when winter is really, really getting old), the solar and feed-in are definite plusses for selling points.

                  Keeps me going, anyway... §;o)

                  •  Glad to hear this (2+ / 0-)
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                    more and more of us need to position ourselves to get off grid as much as possible. I too on my less pessimistic days have dreams of how to get off this treadmill. We do have a lot equity and can work anywhere their wireless so..... We too don't make enough to get credit nor do I want to be in debt more then I am.  One of the moves we made before 2008 and the meltdown was to pay down and refinance our mortgage and eliminate all the debt we had like car payments cc's and invest in our own business. I'm feeling pretty freaked out these days as trickle down austerity look to be coming our way. Just when you think they have finished fucking with you they come back for another bite and hammer another nail in the coffin of the economy we all have to live in.        

                    •  Alas, they have absolutely no intention (3+ / 0-)

                      of 'letting' this (or any other) nation rise out of imposed public austerity for at least a decade, more likely two. Two-thirds of Baby Boomers will be dead by then, which is most certainly not some kind of "unforeseen occurrence" to these jerk-off MOUs [Masters of the Universe]. They're counting on it so they won't have to make good on the SS we've paid into and they owe us, which they've spent on illegal wars, 'investment' casinos and tax cuts for themselves.

                      I just went looking, a single page of Google results. Can obtain all necessary panels, hardware and accessories to install 5,000 kW (annual) worth of grid-feed solar for less than $15,000, and if I were to look around more, could probably do even better. That's going to get cheaper rather than more expensive. It's less than a mid-range used car, payments over 5 years lower than what our mortgage was.

                      Sigh. A girl can dream, eh?

            •  Bravo Hugo Chavez (2+ / 0-)
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              Who provided heat to many in the Northeast at a lowered cost.  Bravo, President Chavez.  Peace, my brother.

          •  I'm already (6+ / 0-)

            turning off my heat for extended periods of time to keep my bills down.  What makes me even sadder is the elderly woman across the hall is also going with out heat.  However, this doesn't really lower our bills because they have raised the costs so high that we are just maintaining.

            I now have one of those new digital meters, and it is driving me nuts, I am doing constant hourly readings and turning more and more things off, like my heat.  If I go to iron my clothes or cook in the back of my mind I'm wondering how much is this going to cost me?  It is making me crazy.  

            "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution­ary act. " George Orwell

            by zaka1 on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 07:05:49 AM PST

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            •  The elderly woman across the hall (9+ / 0-)

              is really going to suffer if Chained CPI goes through.  The increases in energy costs alone will be higher than the reduced CPI raise she'll get - and Medicare increases will probably eat up that pittance anyway.

              you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows

              by Dem Beans on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 07:13:02 AM PST

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              •  Yes, she is (9+ / 0-)

                more over so am I since I'm disabled and social security.  I think part of the problem is not only our government, but also, the stock market and shareholders.  Everything we eat and use has marketshare.  The shareholders and board members constantly demand more and more profits in order to make their millions of dollars, and in turn the people are getting squeezed more and more so a few can profit.  Enron is just one example of how this happened.  I don't think a lot of people remember that they purposely were cutting off people's gas and electric off periodically to make more money.  It was a game.

                Marketwatch reported that Nisource and Nipsco's profits were down with the warmer temps, and then they raised the rates, and turned around and gave the CEO a 30% increase in salary and doled out 17 million in bonuses to the executives and shareholders.  BINGO! CA CHING.  This is another problem our government refuses to address or regulate.  And now, things are so out of control, they think we have more to give, we don't.  And what is happening, is the people are getting more and more angry and nothing changes because they sit in Washington still trying to please the wealthy share holders and the market.  Just look at what the stock market is doing while the country suffers and faces lay-offs, it only makes sense if you realize the stock market is not your friend, it is your downfall.

                Our quality of life is slipping away because the only thing that matters anymore is the stock market and corporations.  

                "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution­ary act. " George Orwell

                by zaka1 on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 08:12:15 AM PST

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                •  And if you follow the (2+ / 0-)
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                  money, who are the shareholders getting million, well our senators and congress people who make deals with lobbyists and corporations.  And I'm sure there are deals made where if a deal goes through there is personal rewards pay out in marketshare.  

                  "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution­ary act. " George Orwell

                  by zaka1 on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 08:34:48 AM PST

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      •  Solar panels etc. (4+ / 0-)

        You can buy a small Coleman electric solar system [kit] for a few hundred dollars now.  Add a deep cycle battery and you have enough to charge a cellphone, laptop, cordless chain saw, and run LED lights.

        Bit by bit, find alternatives that work in your area.  For instance, I have wood available for heat here.  Add a little insulation...  The Mother Earth News website has plans for solar space and water heaters you can build cheaply:  http://www.motherearthnews.com/...

        •  It won't work (3+ / 0-)
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          I live in a condo building with a bunch of stupid Republican white men on my board who are saving money by turning off the heating in garage below me which means I'm asboring the cost by trying to heat my condo over the cold garage.  They won't insulate because that costs more for the board.

          I checked out Nisource's solar electric since they just build a solar farm with sudsidies and they are charging double the cost of a regular kwh and then also charging a big monthly amount to use the solar farm which would triple my bills.  This is what is holding up our move away from fossil fuels.  

          I've been trying to use a propane heater, but it runs out pretty fast.  

          "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution­ary act. " George Orwell

          by zaka1 on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 09:39:18 AM PST

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        •  I'd love to heat with wood (1+ / 0-)
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          But my homeowner's premiums are already through the roof and they'd go higher with a wood-burning stove.  Insurance companies assume none of the risk for anything and even then they find every excuse in the book not to pay out in the event of disaster.  Another massive scam.

          you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows

          by Dem Beans on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 09:46:33 AM PST

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    •  Brilliant analysis (0+ / 0-)

      Bravo, The Wizard.  It is horrible.

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