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  •  I'll leave the speculation to you. (0+ / 0-)

    George says he was able to grab his gun and clearly he was able to do so.

    And I'm sick of responding about that stupid video. Why don't you send the link to BDLR if you think it has something to do with this case?

    If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

    by HairyTrueMan on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 01:11:38 PM PST

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    •  Clearly GZ was able to grab his gun (0+ / 0-)

      GZ is the one who claims Trayvon was in the mounted position when he grabbed his gun. I don't have to speculate whether he said that. He did it over and over again.
      It just doesn't look like that is possible.

      So if it is clear that GZ grabbed his gun and it is clear that he couldn't have done that with Trayvon in a mounted position, GZ must not be telling the truth.

      I don't understand why you would be so upset about this video. I think it is a good depiction of what GZ claimed happened that night, and until I posted this video it seemed that you also thought this was how it happened.

      •  The burden of proof is on the prosecution. (0+ / 0-)

        GZ doesn't have to prove anything.

        And "upset" is your characterization of my reaction to the video. I think it's irrelevant. Yet you keep referring to it as if I watched more than a few seconds of it. I didn't.

        And it could only be a "good depiction of what GZ claimed happened that night" if the fight began with a sucker punch followed by a merciless beating.

        If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

        by HairyTrueMan on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 05:13:00 PM PST

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      •  On an unrelated note... (0+ / 0-)

        As an avid TM supporter you might enjoy listening to this.

        ABC is quietly releasing the full audio from the Crump/DeeDee phone call. Any thoughts?

        If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

        by HairyTrueMan on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 05:32:26 PM PST

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        •  What is wrong with you? (0+ / 0-)

          Why are you so invested in GZ or maybe the question should be why are you so invested in Trayvon being a violent thug.

          Why did you only watch a couple of seconds of that video? Are you afraid of humanizing Trayvon? Are you afraid you would recognize that he was just a 17 year old kid talking for hours to his girlfriend? Do you think if one of those kids in the video was killed by GZ, the fact that they have a video on youtube showing them in a backyard mma fight, would be proof that they would jump on a guy and try to kill him just because he followed them around? Do you believe that their girlfriends would egg them on to kill that guy?

          Do you ever ask yourself those kind of questions? Do you have any self-awareness?

          Or maybe you recognize yourself in GZ. Maybe you can understand that when GZ saw this black kid wearing a hoody, he would think this kid was up to no good.
          And maybe you think just as GZ, that killing the wrong black kid shouldn't mean that you would have to spend the rest of your life in jail, because you are a good and valuable person.
          Or maybe you think you are not racist, because you have a black friend.

          Do you really think it would keep me up at night if I were to find out DD fibbed about the reason she didn't go to the wake? I would think most people would consider that a white lie we all are guilty of once in a while.
          Do I think it would make a difference in the outcome of the trial? No, not really.  

          •  Interesting audio, huh? (0+ / 0-)

            Looks like Crump lied in his affidavit. He's lied a lot about this case. The Martin family is going to rue the day they ever met that dishonest liar. Perhaps if he and his lying associates had not been involved in this case, a grand jury would have charged GZ with a more reasonable crime such as manslaughter. Perhaps Dee Dee would be able to get on with her life. Maybe GZ would serve some time for his reckless behavior.

            But alas, there was money to be made. And suddenly the truth became inconsequential. Crump and Associates hired a publicist to push the racial angle and the media ate it up. Except they were not being honest. And because it is a legal case, the truth was bound to come out. And it IS coming out.

            And now the media is starting to cover their rear-ends and report the facts. The prosecution's case is falling apart.

            And since you are willing to call me a racist for not buying this tripe, I will say good day to you. Best of luck in your endeavors.

            If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

            by HairyTrueMan on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 07:39:53 PM PST

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            •  I heard nothing new in that piece (0+ / 0-)

              but maybe in your haste to give me the dirt on Crump and DD you gave me the wrong link.

              And no the prosecution's case is not falling apart. Crump is not part of this case to start with. I don't think that DD fibbing about the reason why she didn't go to the wake which is a fact that is not material to the case, makes her less reliable than GZ conspiring with his wife to lie about a fact that is material.

              But I guess this helps you to get back into your comfort zone.

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