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  •  Fuzz2347, a large part of the problem ... (1+ / 0-)
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    ... comes back to leadership of both parties being in cahoots with Wall Street, et al.  There was a time that, regardless of how a fellow felt about either party, at least you KNEW there was a clear difference between the two.  Now, not so much, at least not at the national level.  Heck, except for health care and a considerable improvement in grammar during Oval Office speeches, I can hardly tell we've changed presidents and congresses, and even the health care law as written, despite some good points, is a huge, long-term guarantee of income for the insurance industry.  Sure, the Democrats are subsisting on different sectors of Big Shekels than are their Republican counterparts, but they're still bought and paid for, and someone, somewhere, has the receipts to prove it.  

    Nu?  Maybe I'm just getting too cynical with age.  Whatever the cause, I grow more disgusted with the White House, the Congress and D.C. in general, every single day I wake up.  Maybe it's time to start ignoring politics and take up bingo or collecting navel lint and buggers.  I dunno.

    Half of my daughters and more than half of the grands and great grands are in Israel, and I hope they stay there.  The ones who are here in the States, I hope they follow their sisters, at least once they've finished babysitting me.  Twenty or 30 years ago, I'd have hoped for the opposite.  This country has experienced small waves of reverse immigration in the past, but I think it will only increase in generations to come.  The Golden Land is not what it once was.

    The wisdom of my forebears ... Two wise people will never agree. Man begins in dust and ends in dust — meanwhile it's good to drink some vodka. A man studies until he's seventy and dies a fool.

    by Not A Bot on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 08:11:42 PM PST

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    •  I agree that the major problem is the close ties (1+ / 0-)
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      to big money.  History is repeating itself.  We don't need a Democratic alternative to George W. Bush, we need a modern Teddy Roosevelt who will take a BIG STICK to the corporations!

      Thirty years ago is when the Republican corporatists began to make their moves to grab power.  We know that corporations now have way too much control of every aspect of our lives.  I really believe that there will be a backlash.  When five people have more wealth than 40 percent of the rest of the population, there is definitely something wrong.  When Washington argues over continuing tax breaks for huge corporation while millions of American children are going to bed hungry and thousands of veterans are homeless, we know the Government's priorities are screwed up.

      I don't know if the answer is out migration, but I don't think Israel is a shining example of democracy either.  I just hope that people wake up and stand up.  They may have the money, but we still have numbers and votes.    

      •  Sorry I didn't answer sooner. (0+ / 0-)

        You make some great points, but I have to disagree with solely placing the blame on Republican corporatists.  Democrats, including Jimmy Carter, have also been bought by Big Oil, Big Banks, Big whatever -- heck, Clinton was bought by Sam's Club and Big Chicken.  We have a long-term system-wide failure, and we're now at the point where it doesn't matter who Big Money places in office, we're going to get the same results.

        As to Israel, I agree.  It's not a shining example of democracy built upon the ideals of the U.S. (but then we're not doing so well here in that regard, either).  But Israel was never intended to be a pluralist replica of the U.S., or of any other Western democracy.  It's a Jewish state, built by Jews for Jews when there was absolutely no other place on the planet to go.  The average Jew, religious or secular, doesn't want to live in a Southern Baptist society any more than the average Egyptian or Kuwaiti would want to.

        I do hope you're right about numbers and votes counting more than money, but I'll be 84 this year, and every election in my lifetime, we've descended a bit further towards oligarchy.  Looking back over history, it's pretty clear that oligarchy is the natural state of mankind, and only during extraordinary times, and through a lot of sacrifice, do we occasionally break free of it for a while.  And then?  The gradual drift towards concentrated power begins all over again.

        Pffftttt.  I apologize.  I shouldn't be so negative.      

        The wisdom of my forebears ... Two wise people will never agree. Man begins in dust and ends in dust — meanwhile it's good to drink some vodka. A man studies until he's seventy and dies a fool.

        by Not A Bot on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 12:17:05 PM PST

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