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  •  And the nuns... (20+ / 0-)

    Are totally besides themselves with this Pope.  I have an aunt by marriage who is a nun.  She was given a 'test' to determine just how 'catholic' she was.  And they were told that their mission was to stop contraception, abortion and teh gay - not to minister to the poor in their community.  She is a conservative Catholic and she was totally pissed about this.

    'Guns don't kill people, video games do - paraphrased from Lamar Alexander (Sen-R-TN)'

    by RichM on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 01:45:18 PM PST

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    •  Yeah...what you said is (9+ / 0-)

      basically what I've read elsewhere.

      I think the nuns are great.

      Irony takes a worse beating from Republicans than Wile E. Coyote does from Acme. --Tara the Antisocial Social Worker

      by Youffraita on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 01:47:21 PM PST

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    •  So are all the nuns (3+ / 0-)
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      I saw the Nuns on the Bus tour last summer when they were going around the country presenting their "Faithful Budget" as a rebuke specifically to the Ran Budget. They were great. They spoke across the street from a long-running hunger center. That wasn't accidental. One of our Ohio congresspeople has proposed the leader of that tour, Sister Simone Campbell, for Pope. In his dreams.

      Jon Husted is a dick.

      by anastasia p on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 03:50:38 PM PST

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      •  The only thing that makes me hold back (7+ / 0-)

        from really trashing the Catholic Church in America are the nuns.  I was very fortunate to know Pat Farrell, who was the president of the nun's union (Conference of Women Religious?).  She earns and is due a great deal of respect.  It's truly offensive that she is not at least the equivalent of a priest, and she'd be a better archbishop than any of that whole lot.

        “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

        by ivorybill on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 04:01:10 PM PST

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        •  Joan Chittister (2+ / 0-)
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          would also make an awesome Cardinal.  

          It's incredibly irritating that the RC church doesn't ordain women.  It would solve a huge amount of their problems if they did - and if they allowed priests (of either gender) to marry.

          •  She is all kinds of amazing n/t (2+ / 0-)
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            For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die--Ted Kennedy

            by sobermom on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 07:31:22 PM PST

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          •  It's extremely irritating (2+ / 0-)
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   a lot of us Catholics too.

            Years ago we had a pastor who wrote a letter that was published in the Columbus Dispatch, urging the Church to consider resuming allowing priests to marry. When I congratulated him on that, he said that he was in favor of ordaining women too. He later left the priesthood to marry. We now have a pissant priest who's been harassing a gay member of our choir.

            Cogito, ergo Democrata.

            by Ahianne on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 09:28:59 PM PST

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      •  I worked for nuns at my first paycheck-job, (4+ / 0-)
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        washing dishes in a retreat center.

        A fishbone set of religious women who helped the poor directly - not only by providing food and clothing but by teaching job-interview skills and the like. One was a goldsmith who made her money by making chalices for wealthier parishes - but provided engagement rings and wedding bands for whatever her poor constituents could pay (one traded a bag of Blue Chip Stamp books).

        In the immortal words of Henry Blake on M*A*S*H, "they don't come any nunner."

        (I later gave them a wee bit of immortality by writing a story about a convent in Hell, providing comfort to the damned.)

        Thank God, the Bob Fosse Kid is here! - Colin Mochrie

        by gardnerhill on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 09:25:25 PM PST

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    •  Why do they stay?? (2+ / 0-)
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      Why not break off? What's keeping them?

      •  Even Luther didn't want to break away (2+ / 0-)
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        from the Church. He wanted to reform it.
        One of his hymns has the verse:
        "Give Thy Church, Lord, to see/Days of peace and unity."
        He seemed to really have wanted unity.
        Luther broke away when he realized there was no more he could do without betraying his beliefs--"Here I stand, I can do no more"--and was excommunicated.
        I think most reformers love the Church and the Christian message and aren't willing to surrender it to the corruption of its leaders.

      •  A Catholic splinter church run by nuns? (5+ / 0-)

        Now that might bring even me, and my children who have never seen the insideo f a church, back into the fold!

        If you want something other than the obvious to happen; you've got to do something other than the obvious. Douglas Adams

        by trillian on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 07:51:10 PM PST

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      •  That's my question too ~ (1+ / 0-)
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        If the leadership is so morally bankrupt, why would anyone want to continue to be associated?  It's not like it (the leadership) is going to be reformed anytime soon.  Maybe my question or lack of understanding is totally stupid, but I truly don't get it.

        •  Probably several things (3+ / 0-)
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          ... 1) the essential message of the Church, in terms of approaching an individual's relationship with God, self and others rings true, 2) the liturgy and sacraments support and enhance the message described in #1 and 3) there's both moral and social support to be gained from belonging to a group of fellow believers.  Those are part of what keeps me a member.

          And I think that the title of this diary is an overstatement. Disagreement with the church hierarchy over which issues are most important doesn't mean that people don't care what they say.  Apply the same analysis to the corporatist Democratic party structure and ask if you get the same result.  Yes, they are out of touch, but they are certainly important and relevant.

          "Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove." P.G. Wodehouse

          by gsbadj on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 03:03:19 AM PST

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