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  •  The distinctiveness (2+ / 0-)
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    & dailyness of Roman Catholic practice is difficult to duplicate outside of the Church. More & more Catholics are inclined to to disregard  these practices anyway (& many were when I was a kid), & for them I doubt Catholicism means much except as a family inheritance they no longer much value.   But those who do,  & derive great spiritual comfort from them, several Catholics I know, find ways of steering their financial contributions into programs & missions they support. It is very important to listen to Catholics & ex-Catholics. They have stories to tell. Some have had their hearts broken. Others have found ways of adapting, & of raising children as responsible, progressive, compassionate Catholic human beings, of using the Church to act with love & charity.

    "There ain't no sanity clause." Chico Marx

    by DJ Rix on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 03:56:36 PM PST

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    •  I understand much of that, as my journey from (0+ / 0-)

      Protestantism to atheism was a long hard slog. What I learned on that journey is that compassion is not related to religion, it's related to humanism. Some people have good hearts and some don't. While they may feel that it is religious teachings that made them behave that way, I think they would have been good charitable people no matter what they were taught.

      For Catholics (I have many Catholic friends) part of the difficulty is that it is almost a cultural identity, like being Irish or German or even Jewish.  It is hard to leave when that is so engrained as a personal identity.

      I encourage people to walk out the doors for a couple of reasons.  One, they are suffering from institutional humiliation. Two, as long as the Catholic church gets their money, it will continue to make life miserable for the rest of us.  Look at all the holds that church has on our laws and our lives. All over this country, women are denied their reproductive rights because this country allows the Church to own hospitals.  

      I truly do want to see this institution fail and fade away, and it won't happen unless thinking Catholics walk out.

      •  I do not encourage Catholics (1+ / 0-)
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        to walk away, & I am familiar with Catholicism in a way few protestants are, & value the cultural "distinctiveness,"  which had rich ethnic qualities when I was growing up.   A protestant-turned-atheist has zilch credibility. It is arrogance to presume Catholics are unaware of the institutional failings,  ignorant of the options, mistaken in their beliefs because one does not share those beliefs,  & unable to make choices. Your "hard slog" is your experience.

        "There ain't no sanity clause." Chico Marx

        by DJ Rix on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 01:51:00 PM PST

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        •  The cultural "distinctiveness" (0+ / 0-)

          that you feel trumps the "protestant turned atheist" experience is simply an example of the fact that the Catholic church has woven a tighter web of fallacies and nonsense around their adherents brains. In other words, they are better at brainwashing than most Protestant churches.   It's not "arrogance" to make the observations I make about people who stay inside of something that is so incredibly corrupt and destructive. It's concern and sympathy. The same one would feel for anyone else who's mind is captured by a cult and who can't even see what it is doing to them and to the world.

          "Rich ethnic qualities" is a meaningless description of a community if that community is formulated by an institution based on lies and immorality.

          •  "Rich ethnic qualities" DJ Dix says (1+ / 0-)
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            IMO ,not that it would be likely to change his opinion, he needs to read "Constantine's Sword" written by an ex priest
            and certainly gives the lie to Catholic understanding of what Cultural Distinctiveness is and respect for it if it is someone elses cultural distinctiveness.

          •  I think you need to back off (0+ / 0-)

            & demonstrate the best example of true tolerance, which is listening. Your "concern" & "sympathy" may be from arrogance.

            "There ain't no sanity clause." Chico Marx

            by DJ Rix on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 11:07:48 AM PST

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            •  Yes, because there is absolutely (0+ / 1-)
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              no arrogance in the belief that your religion has the only keys to heaven.

              However, you are right. I have absolutely no sense of tolerance for the Catholic Church.  Note I said the Church. I "tolerate" my Catholic friends all the time by just listening to the angst and interior conflict this religion is bringing them.

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