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  •  Time decay (12+ / 0-)

    I worry about this.  It's already been a long time since the Newtown massacre and it will be a far longer time until the next election. Many of those who take a no-compromise RKBA stance are single-issue voters; much of the mainstream is not. You can have 90% of the population support something, weakly, and have 10% of the population oppose it strongly enough to prevent passage, especially when the GOP still has certain structural advantages. That doesn't mean we all shouldn't try, it's just that we may not have reached a tipping point quite yet.

    “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

    by ivorybill on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 08:43:44 AM PST

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    •  I agree. (10+ / 0-)

      It's not a tipping point, but the arguments are headed in the general direction. I don't think most people could have foreseen how fast the civil union/gay marriage debate would turn. But the arguments against common decency in a civilized society on some of these issues as older voters fall away and younger voters take their place.

      Gun ownership as a percentage of the population has been in steady decline since the 1960s. At some point, this will be a big enough issue that those who don't own a gun and have never owned a gun will see the absurdity of the NRA locking down Senators and congressional reps to the "nothing-will-work" approach.

      Sadly, I doubt very seriously whether we are done with mass shootings in this country. Newtown is but one instance of the insanity that plagues the last civilized nation on the planet without sensible controls on guns.

      •  The difference is, thankfully, (6+ / 0-)

        that once LGBT people started demanding their rights, most everyone realized that they know and love someone who is LGB or T.  It's a lot harder to deny rights and protections to family members, friends, co-workers.  

        I hope very much we never get to the point where we all know a victim of gun violence or become one ourselves.

        You could be right; I sincerely hope you are. I wonder if there are other cultural changes/movements that also progressed over a fairly rapid time period.  Maybe... in my own lifetime our society has gone from treating drunk driving as a sort of joke to cracking down hard, and thirty years ago, nobody could touch the tobacco companies.  That's changed, and maybe that's a better analogy for assault weapons.

        “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

        by ivorybill on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 09:06:20 AM PST

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        •  I don't think it's about being a victim or... (5+ / 0-)

          ... knowing a victim. I think it's about owning or not owning. We don't need to know a victim or be a victim to understand the implications of gun violence in our society. The news is full of the insanity on a daily basis.

          But as a smaller and smaller percentage of Americans own guns, there will be increasing questions about why/how/whether our country should continue to be flooded with deadly weapons of all sorts with few intended purposes other than killing people, quickly and efficiently.

        •  But (2+ / 0-)

          with social media being what it is, we almost all do know victims of gun violence, maybe after the fact, but I know I've seen those Newtown babies' pictures all over Facebook. They could've been one of my kids or one of my sister's or friend's kids. It's really, really hard to forget their sweet little faces. I feel like I knew them even though we never met in the flesh.

        •  Since you bring up drunk driving (0+ / 0-)

          Some people dislike the idea of sobriety checkpoints.  Some people will consider some gun control measures to be as undesirable as sobriety checkpoints.

        •  The survivors of a shooting include all those who (2+ / 0-)
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          must pick up the pieces of the shattered lives.

          Even if a shooting is self-inflicted, even if a shooting is not-fatal, it still impacts many lives.

          "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

          by LilithGardener on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 10:16:38 AM PST

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    •  Given this is America, we'll have a fresh atrocity (5+ / 0-)

      any day now.  I hope it's not like Newtown, but even what happened in New York was enough to make people add that to a list of things that gun control legislation ought to be able to fix.

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